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06-19-2015 , 01:51 PM
I probably don't bluff quite enough as I should and I almost never find myself in a situation like this to bomb the river with a bluff.

1/2: Hero--MAWG, playing mostly TAG. Have had some rundown issues where I got it in very very good, so I think my image is strong. Only caught once bluffing into a medium sized pot.

V--Another MAWG. Plays a loose-aggressive game preflop, straightforward post. approx $275 (hero covers). V opens quite a bit with pot sweeteners with random hands. His PFR% is likely around 30-40%. I don't think he's positionally aware.

V makes it $7 from MP. 2 calls. Hero flats with KsTo. I've 3-bet him a few times light and with the 2 callers I don't feel like there is a sweet spot to get heads up without overbetting so I flat.

Flop ($25ish): AsTs6x
V leads out $15. My read is he has maybe a piece, or a draw. Folds to hero who flats.

Turn ($55ish): AsTs6x4s
V checks. Hero bets out $45. I'm repping a flush here and think I can take this down most times. He tank calls. My range on him is now 2-pair most likely (or possible set), baby flush less likely with the check-call.

River ($150): AsTs6x4sQx
V checks quickly. Hero shoves for what I thought was $200 more.. he had about $225 or so left behind.
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06-19-2015 , 02:01 PM
I suspect a slightly smaller river bet accomplishes the same thing against his Ax
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06-19-2015 , 02:12 PM
I like it, I think there's a fair chance he heroes you with the range you gave him.
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06-19-2015 , 02:14 PM
Agreed. $155 here will get the same folds I think.

Anyone else like checking behind on the turn?
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06-19-2015 , 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch
Anyone else like checking behind on the turn?
I may be in the minority, but there's not much about this hand I like.

K10o, regardless of who I'm up against, is just a bad hand. Flop call is meh. I check back the turn. Nonetheless, V called your bet on the turn, which I don't like. You said he's straightforward, no?

AP, you basically shoved the river? Blek. As stated above, a smaller bet accomplishes the same. I understand that spots like this come up from time to time, but I'm not a fan of them. I can find better ways to make money in LLSNL.

I may be the odd man out, but I'm voting spew.
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06-19-2015 , 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch
Agreed. $155 here will get the same folds I think.

Anyone else like checking behind on the turn?
If we have the K, I bet. If not, I check behind.
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06-19-2015 , 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by TTBH240
I may be in the minority, but there's not much about this hand I like.

K10o, regardless of who I'm up against, is just a bad hand. Flop call is meh. I check back the turn. Nonetheless, V called your bet on the turn, which I don't like. You said he's straightforward, no?

AP, you basically shoved the river? Blek. As stated above, a smaller bet accomplishes the same. I understand that spots like this come up from time to time, but I'm not a fan of them. I can find better ways to make money in LLSNL.

I may be the odd man out, but I'm voting spew.
The river ship is for value. I could be wrong, but I believe OP thinks he's got the best hand and is looking to get looked up by two-pair and sets by making his river action look bluffy.
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06-19-2015 , 03:43 PM
We are shipping for value against 2 pairs with 3rd pair no flush or straight? We have KsTx.

I think you misread the hand.
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06-19-2015 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by The Rumor
We are shipping for value against 2 pairs with 3rd pair no flush or straight? We have KsTx.

I think you misread the hand.
Yes I did.

To OP and the rest of the thread - my bad, please ignore my posts (even more than usual
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06-19-2015 , 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch
Agreed. $155 here will get the same folds I think.

Anyone else like checking behind on the turn?
Yeah, since we have Ks. If not it'd be terrible.
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06-19-2015 , 08:12 PM
Preflop is bad. KT is a bad hand.

Flop and turn are fine, but your read on his range strikes me as crazy. How do you think he's playing AK?

River I think you should just give up.
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06-19-2015 , 08:52 PM
no, you probably bluff enough. the only reason to bluff is to advertise and get action on your big hands.

yes, you are repping the flush.

no, he is not as strong as 2 pr, he could easily be as weak as AJ here. I range him at AK or AQ

river shove into 150 is very suspect and looks bluffy.

river bet should be between 95 and 120. something valuish, but substantial enough that will make him snap fold whatever he has.

for this bluff to work, either your V needs to peg you as solid, or he needs to be pretty weak. if either of those two elements are not working for you, it is probably not going to work.
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06-19-2015 , 10:50 PM
How often does he have to fold in order for this to be profitable?

If you shoved 200 into 150, he has to fold 70% for this to be break even.
So can you find 70% of hands in his range that will fold?

flushes, straights, three of kind,two pair, overpairs, and TP make up about 30% of a very loose guy's 80% vpip on this run out.
Of those, can you make 70% fold? I don't think so. There aren't enough top pairs and overpairs, and this loose bad villain will likely not fold the rest of these that often. If you really think he folds many stronger hands than by all means.

So, I think this is a probably a bad bluff. "If you have it, you have it, I call"
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06-20-2015 , 04:31 AM
I think for this river bluff to be successful, at least against the kind of opponents I tend to play against, I would need to semi-tank while I think about the maximum V is willing to call here, and then bet ~120-130. Over betting the river just looks like a bluff to most people, they get suspicious, and may just hero call you.
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06-20-2015 , 08:14 AM
Spew. Starting preflop, you should never call a raiser plus two limpers with KT even if suited, it's a trouble hand. Maybe against the LAG raiser only, but with the limpers you have to fold this hand, i'd rather have 46s here.

On the turn, I think you made the right play by betting, I would have bet lighter tho, maybe around 30-35$.

Finally I don't like the river shove, it's too big and also you're getting called really too often. Maybe if you had bet the turn 30$, now you could bluff it with a bet of about 90$ on a 120$ pot. But still not sure I would bluff that river. Really depends on what you know about V and whats your read.
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