So neither of these are limp pots but I thought that would be a catchy title. Hand one like 900 effective.

2-5 utg raise 10 utg+2 calls hero in co with ajoff We flat and bb calls.

Pot (37) Flop is j43. Utg makes it 20 utg+2 folds we call. Bb makes it 55 utg calls. And we call.

Pot (202) Turn 8

Bb 120 utg basically snap calls. Hero? Like it’s such a dry board, i am kind of worried about bb having random two pairs and being uncapped preflop to that 10 dollar open. Utg I don’t know, maybe he just has Jack maybe he has hearts, maybe he has some some over pairs that he raised to 10 dollars to get action. No idea.

Bb seems like a pro not positive but younger guy played decently snug. Utg middle age Asian guy who seemed like he was ok, not playing too many hands. Heads up I would never fold aj on that board. The multi way nature of the hand is what screwed me up.

Hand two limp, limp, hero over limps hj with the kq off, co calls Button makes it 30 6 people call. We are like 1100 effective with button.

(Pot 180) flop k89r

So I am usually an auto check guy. But I have been experimenting in leading in these 5+ way pots. So I bet 60, I don’t really love my sizing. I think I should go like 120 and say hey I got a king. But I went small.

Button calls and utg calls.
(Pot 360) Turn is 9 we check to button. He bets 165 utg folds we call.

(Pot 690) River j. Check villain bets 420 instantly.

kJ beats us now q10 got there he could have ak I guess. If he had j he has pair now, would he turn it into bluff?

Btw it’s the same guy from first hand who was bb and was bluffing with q9h and got called down by qj.

We have one of the better hands we take this weird line with I guess.

Playing multi-way pots with big unsuited cards is a recipe for disaster, in my experience.

You’ll rarely make better than a pair, and will be in the dark the whole way.

Both hands should have been folded or threebet preflop.

Hand one I'd 3 bet or fold pre; mainly 3 betting to $40. I would fold the turn.

Hand two raise to $35, I really dislike overlimping here. I would honestly rather fold. I guess the raise can't be horrible, but I'm really not liking where this hand is going. I would just check the flop. As played I would probably continue on the turn small but I'm never in this spot. I wouldn't mind just folding now. Definitely fold river.

Hand 1:
Calling is the worst option pre, AJo is the worst off-suit ace in my calling range in LP vs an UTG open but because its a min raise and 1 caller I'm tempted to squeeze to like 50 with plans to fold if UTG springs the trap and re-raises. We're deep and it would be nice to take this heads up in position, lets get the button and blinds out of the hand.

Hand 2:
Why are we over-limping KQo in LP and inviting CO, BTN and blinds in? Raise to like 35 or 40, iso these limpers and get position.

Both hands are unnecessarily difficult because of the pre-flop mistakes, mainly due to un-defined ranges and being so multi-way, which our passive action pre-flop helped to encourage.

Agree with above that pre-flop play was bad and created more difficult post-flop decisions. KQo is definitely going in the muck to a button 3-bet and several early position calls where we are now stuck in the middle. Might have called if button had folded and BB raise, where we were closing the action and sure to be in relative and absolute position for the remainder of the hand. That would be a much more favorable situation to call with this mediocre hand. If you were willing to play for 30, you should have 3-bet yourself and tried to get button to fold.

Three reasons I really don't like calling here. Number one, it will be hard to get paid off with your strong made hands when your stuck in the middle. Hard to disguise the strength of your strong hands. You cannot slow play them in multi-way pots. Whenever you hit your hand hard (2 pair), you will be up against several drawing hands.

Reason two, you are often forced to fold many of your marginal made hands in this situation because when you call an early position bet on the flop, you are now capped and a late position player can squeeze you out with a raise.

Reason three, the pot will be fairly large on the flop and you will likely be facing a half to full pot-sized bet on the flop with a marginal made hand that could be dominated or up against a strong draw or two pair. You will be forced to commit large amount of your stack to see your top pair hand to the river.

OK to call here, if you are prepared to fold when you do not hit two pair or an open ended straight draw on flop.

Hand 1 is an easy fold on the turn with BB betting and EP snap call. I would presume the EP player has us beat majority of the time if he is opening correctly. Your pre-flop overcall was also reasonable given the action was not only opened from EP but also cold called by another EP player (UTG+2). If they are opening and calling correctly, you really do not want to be 3-betting with your hand too often. Better to just call and see a flop as well as having position to see how the action goes from these two EP players. 3-betting pre-flop and being forced to fold this hand in position would be a shame.

Now, having seen what the EP player had actually opened with and called the turn with, it is now clear you need to be 3-betting much more often with hands as bad as A5 suited, AJo and KQo against these players who are opening from EP too wide.

You should have min raised the flop with your top pair and top kicker to deny the BB proper odds to continue with a draw and to value bet UTG player who is often just making a standard continuation bet with AK or AQ, which you are now reverse dominating. UTG may also have a small pocket pair that would fold to our raise. Not sure flatting the flop was a good decision.

It showed weakness and BB decided it was a good opportunity to semi-bluff. UTG clearly recognized this and called, which is reasonable as he will have position against the BB on the turn and river, and you had not shown any significant strength by just calling behind his bet. Had BB folded, i would certainly have called the BB's raise. But the UTG calling was problematic because I did not think he would call with such a marginal hand with us still to act behind him. So his call looked stronger than it really was.

Not sure we want to slow play TPTK in a draw-heavy multi-way pot especially when we have position. Many turn cards can come to kill the action or create good draws which might bet strong leaving us to make a very tough decision to call with may now be a marginal made hand. Just value bet the other players to death now. If UTG calls our flop raise, now we start betting smaller in case we are beat by his over-pair.

Hand 1, i'm calling and evaluating river. Bb line is very sketchy.

Hand 2 is trickier, we can make a case for folding both turn and river as played. Hero can also bet turn which is really a blank and see how villain reacts.

fold pre hand one

fold pre or iso hand two