Game is $1/$2 $300 max in NH. Hero has been playing for about 40 minutes, card dead so no showdowns. Have played with V1 before....he is mid 50's, loose pre and likes to chase draws. Can have some unorthodox lines as well.

Hero OTB with $300, V in HJ has $212.

Three limps including V to Hero who raises to $14 OTB with AT. Blinds fold, two limpers call, including V.

Flop ($43 after rake)

T76

Checks to V who bets $20. Hero decides to call here (probably a mistake given wet board...thinking raise to $55-$60 is better here), wanting to keep all weaker T's in V's range in the hand. Other limper folds, HU to the turn.

Turn ($82 after max rake)

T762

V checks. Hero bets $60 and V calls quickly (like insta). This smells like a draw to Hero more than anything so I skew his range more away from made hands to draws or pairs + draws.

River ($202)

T7623

V checks quickly. V has $118 left. This value time or check it back?

Raising flop can be good vs described villain if he's leading a weird merged range like Tx, 7x/6x w/ a gutshot, flush draws and straight draws. Also exploitatively most villains are going to x/r 2 pair/set/straight and if they do lead it's gonna be for a bigger sizing so ya not raising the flop is a mistake I'd say. I mean yeah it sucks if you get jammed on but whatever I think it's rare you get 3bet from villain otf.

Checking back the river as played is criminal.

I haven’t played live in a long time, so I’m not sure why I’m posting. This just popped up on my TAPATALK, anyways I’m jamming. He could have a lot of worse Ts here that will call off.


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I don't think it's thin. His line is inconsistent with a value hand stronger than yours and you have a weakness tell (the snap call/check) There's a lot of risk to slow-playing on this board and it's a complete brick runout. I'd All-in even with significantly larger stacks behind, up to like $400.

I'm probably betting there... if he has a better hand than you, he's probably shoving. So, I'm betting $118. I'm a novice though. This is just what I would do in the pot with what you said about the guy. He's probably still calling with k,q,j,9,8-10 combos. Since he only has half a pot sized bet, he definitely would have shoved with a better hand.

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I find it hard to believe that a typical V checks a better hand otr unless he thinks you're the type to bet 3/4 pot ott with 54. So, I'd bet an amount that I think V would call with a weaker hand. Try & size it so that it's too enticing for him to turn down catching a bluff. Hopefully, he can't lay down JTs, T9s, 87s, 99, 88 etc. If he's the type to stack off with that whole range, go all in, however, I'd rather get a call for $65 100% of the time, than an all-in call 50% of the time.

Interesting spot. Against a draw happy V with unorthodox lines I understand the reasoning of a river x with some frequency since the 3 wont always be a brick. Not sure how often I can check back though. In general I probably under bet to something like $60 and call it off if we were "wrong". Logic here is to allow pair plus draw combos including 88, 99 to crying call instead of muck to the all in bet. If he has a crazy line with a set or 4x5x or 23 we lose a bit more. But I think we are good more often then not and since he has so little behind (cant x/r us off our hand) I probably go for value 80% of the time or so.

Check it Back for me.

I don't think a shove is thin at all. It's pretty fat actually.

Echoing everyone else that this is not thin

I'm betting $50 and calling AI.

Id just ship it it’s not that thin let alone paper thin

It's not the worst checkback vs some opponents but villain should checkjam turn or lead river fairly often with stronger hands

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OK, other than a few dissents, it seems most see it as a value spot. And given my nature, I did as well. Just didn't see any reason for V to check a better hand with so little behind.

So Hero bets $75 hoping all worse Tx and maybe even some 99/88 type hands find a call. V instantly CR/ships for $118 and Hero (knowing he is beat aas I can count the number of times I have seen a CR bluff at this level on zero fingers), tosses in the additional $43 getting a zillion-1. V tables 54os and is good.

I actually didn't take a ton of time to evaluate the river card (nice read c0rn) as the 3 was definitely not a total blank. Not sure it would have stopped me from betting anyway, but certainly need to work on taking a breath and reviewing in more detail.

Anyway, thanks for all the responses. I tend to bet for value maybe too much, so wanted to make sure this wasn't a clear "check back" spot as I seem to have trouble identifying those.

Shorn

Please raise preflop to $15 next time instead of $14. When you raise to $14, everyone is going to throw in 3 reds and the dealer has to give everyone change.

You might get 5 more hands per hour if everyone stopped making weird bet and raise sizes like that.

Wow, crusty Mike is here today lol. Will do sir.

Sorry, its just a pet peeve of mine. I dont understand why people make those weird bet sizes that slow the game down.

The next thread I read after this one, the guy raised to $21 in a 1/3. Why not $20??????

Thin value

Well in a 1/2 game everyone has plenty of white chips so rarely does the dealer have to make a ton of change. But I get your point you crusty old man you....

If V jammed river or bet say $60 instead of checking would you have called??????

I saw the results but before I read them I'm thinking

maybe I miss some value bets
BUT

If I get 2 streets of value from TPTK

I'm happy

like you said he likes to chase draws
your only getting called by better

terrible advice.
this is not paper thin either, it´s a crystal clear shove for value.
good for him he played the hand atrociously and got there this time.

We didn't barrel all three streets, we only bet turn after V slowed down and showed some weakness. We don't automatically have a monster with this line. I think we can still get worse hands to call a $60ish bet. At 1/2 that's 30 BB, pretty nice value. Tx is always calling here, some underpairs and combo draws can call with some frequency as well. This time he had one of the hands that got there but that doesn't mean you're always only getting called by better.

Thanks, it was YOUR read that gave the clues although perhaps post mortem. Obviously you can't make a habit of leaving that type of value on the table too often, not sure there's much you can do other than ride the variance train. Maybe you can grab a live read and take a bit more time especially if V is deeper but I think most of us play it pretty much the same.

Is Villain station enough to call give action for 3 streets with medium strength hands? For me, I'm expecting V to fold their draws without pairs OTR if we were to put V all in, but would V be station enough to call us with TX, 7X, 6X? I am having some issues with betting small to induce calls from weaker hands as well, because if V does jam it in, we are definitely getting good odds to call but we are usually behind their river raising range in instances like such. Might be making mountains out of molehills since V definitely have alot more weak hands here than strong ones

Villain had 54o. That means he’s going to have tons of hands like T9, 97, 96, 87, 86 etc. that are in no mood to fold. Don’t be results oriented.