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Old 05-19-2017, 03:36 AM   #1
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Getting wild at 1/3

We were at an action table where most opens were 25 or more.

We are $800 to start hand

Tight player utg +1 $700 opens $15
2 fish callers

I'm btn with 8c6c and 3bet $75

2 calls

270ish pot
Flop 8d7c4h


Check
Check
I bet 120
Raise 250 by tight utg+1
Call and all in by fish for 240
I call

Td
He goes all in for 425 and I tank call


Thought process on turn I thought I had 13outs because I thought he had and over pair an over pair and I was getting equity.
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Old 05-19-2017, 03:39 AM   #2
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Re: Getting wild at 1/3

I don't really get the 3b. Are people folding to 3bs? Are the blinds squeezing? I'd much rather call this otb.

ap i like flop sizing, ap you flopped tp and you call it off getting a bazillion to one, sure, fine.
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Old 05-19-2017, 04:04 AM   #3
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Re: Getting wild at 1/3

Super donk - seems hugely overplayed vs a tight player
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Old 05-19-2017, 04:55 AM   #4
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Re: Getting wild at 1/3

Why are you 3-betting a tight player with 86cc? I could see doing this as a semibluff if you think the raiser and callers are folding a lot, but I don't think a tight player raising in second position is going to fold much.

Why are you betting this flop? It might be okay but this seems like a good spot to check behind for pot control as your hand is not that strong 3-way in a raised pot. And this flop connects with the fish's range pretty hard, so I don't see both players folding that often. And your hand doesn't seem strong enough to value bet.

AP, I figure you're way behind after the flop action concludes. Granted, you're getting nearly 7 to 1 but I figure your pair is never good and at least one player is likely on a better straight draw (or else already has it). I'd guess the PFR has an overpair or set, and the fish has a straight draw, maybe a set, maybe A8.

I'd fold the turn. PFR is tight. He's not bluffing here. 13 outs? That's rather optimistic. A 5 or 9 might be good but there are several better straight draws out there so you shouldn't assume this. I wouldn't count a 6 as an out as 2 pair on this board with this action is not so great, especially since it completes more straight draws. Same goes for the 8. It might be good but it makes a boat for anyone with a set and there are many straight possibilities. I would discount your outs here. I'd expect most of them to be good about 1/2 the time so give yourself 6 or 7 outs when deciding whether to call.

You are not getting the odds to call. If ALL your outs are good, calling is +EV as you need to be good over 23% of the time and at best you are good 28%. But all your outs are not good. Maybe none of them are good, which is why you need to discount them. And if you think 7 are good then it's an easy fold.

I agree with dwiele. This hand is way overplayed vs. a tight player in EP. None of your decisions are terrible, but most are small mistakes and they add up, making the hand as played a big mistake. I'd like to see how it turned out but make sure to use the spoil tags.

Also, do you have more specific reads on these players than "tight" and "fish"? These are rather vague terms. Is the tight player a nit, a rock, a good TAG, a straightforward TAG, or tight passive? Is the fish a loose passive, a bad LAG, a maniac, or a calling station? How each plays greatly affects whether you made the right decisions here, and if not, how badly -EV they were, and if so, how +EV.

P.S. - Not trying to be overly critical. Hope this helps.
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Old 05-19-2017, 05:07 AM   #5
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Re: Getting wild at 1/3

3bet light with 86cc vs tight player doesn't seem good here. For sure, it is better to just flat. With this kind of hands, it is better multi way than a hand like AK AQ.

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Old 05-19-2017, 11:09 AM   #6
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Re: Getting wild at 1/3

Since we're so deep and we're hopefully facing a tight UTG raising range, I might lean towards a call preflop (although no harm in folding). Kinda hate a 3bet at a loose action table especially facing a tight EP raise.

When tight raiser calls the big 3bet, I'm done with the hand unless I improve to 2pair+. So I check behind on the flop and take my free card here.

Next time do the flop math for us. I'm guessing we're getting the odds to chase our two pair + trips + gutshot, although with both fish being involved it's possible we don't have nearly as many outs as we think we do.

Again, next time do the turn math for us. What is the size of the pot? What odds are we getting? If you're too lazy to do the math for us I'm not going to bother to do it.

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Old 05-19-2017, 07:53 PM   #7
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Re: Getting wild at 1/3

I am jealous.

Where can I find games like this?

Not where I play now, that's for sure.
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Old 05-19-2017, 11:12 PM   #8
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Re: Getting wild at 1/3

Ok so
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Old 05-19-2017, 11:56 PM   #9
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Re: Getting wild at 1/3

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Ok so
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Interesting. See below for comments on hand.

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Old 05-20-2017, 12:03 AM   #10
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Re: Getting wild at 1/3

Grunch: jam flop over raise
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Old 05-20-2017, 12:23 AM   #11
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Re: Getting wild at 1/3

Getting wild at 1/3 is what the fish do. Don't be the fish.
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