NLH 2/3 100-500

# Effective stack 400

Hero 9sTs in cut off

Four limpers including hero

($12) Flop JQs7s

UTG (new guy no read) bets 15
Hj (aggressive when hits the board) calls
Hero calls

($57) Turn K
UTG bets 35
Hj calls
Hero calls

($162) River 8

UTG bets 75
Hj calls
Hero? Do I need to be concerned about the AT straight?

Raise flop on this wet board with a vulnerable straight. If they fold, they likely folded a lot of equity, so it's OK. If they call, you just got a lot of value out of your straight.

AP, raise/fold turn. Standard V's aren't 3-betting you here without AT, and a lot of 2p+ might still call. Much less value to be had than on turn, though.

AP, just call river. Getting raised would be a nightmare and getting called by anything you beat would be pretty rare.

In general, stop slow playing. Bet for value more.

Thanks.

In the first part you say if they call a raise on the flop I just got a lot of value out of my straight but I haven’t hit it yet?

In the second part what are you saying about 3 betting AT here? That since they limped they could have AT? Much less value to be had on the turn? This is the turn. Do you mean than on the flop?

On the river if I raise isn’t there the chance that I get called by eg 2 pair? The only thing that beats me is AT here

I’ll take your advice RE betting for value more.

OOPS. I misread board and thought you flopped the straight. Forget what I said about raising flop for value. I'd still raise as a semi-bluff with the combo-draw

As for the turn, what I meant is that a lot of hands will call a raise that we are beating, but very few will 3-bet unless they can beat us, so if they 3-bet, we're likely not good. On the other hand, due to my misread I didn't realize we have a FD to fall back on, so I'm not so sure I'd fold even if we do get 3-bet.

River raise is fine. Sorry, my board misread turned all of my commentary into a trainwreck.

Raise flop, if not raise turn, if not raise river ALLIN.
You could easily be getting 3bet on the turn by a set as they need to protect their hand vs a lot of bad river cards on a KQJ7 two spade board.

You should not be scared of AT, especially since V2 is flatting the $75 and I doubt V1 will bet this small with the nuts when there are a bunch of hands he can get a lot more value from.

In any case you have the second nuts, you lose to only AT so stop thinking that V might have this hand and think about all the hands that you are beating that are also monsters and are happily snapping you off when you ship in the rest of your stack.

Not raising the turn makes me very sad.

I'm fine with preflop (so long as we know what we're doing).

I'm also just calling the flop. Someone overbetting the flop from EP into the world is a little worrisome (little FE, imo), plus a lot of our outs aren't to the nuts (a little worrisome there's another person in the pot), so even though we have an OESFD I don't think there is any good reason to go nuts in a limped pot (where the little money in the pot isn't worth going crazy over with big stacks behind). We're also cool with dragging others behind us into the pot to pad our immediate odds / IO when we hit.

I really don't like our turn call at all. The EP guy is continuing on an overcard, so there is a very good chance he has two pair+. The other guy is continuing along so he's got something worth calling with (although unlikely the nut straight due to not raising when it looks like we're on a flush draw). There's also a crapload of river cards that can kill our action (putting 4-to-a-straight/flush on board). We also want to set ourselves up for playing for our $400 stack on the river, which is going to be very difficult to do by just flatting. I'd make a fairly big raise here to like $150 or so.

I would not be concerned about the AT straight as the calling guy likely would have raised the turn or river, and the donking guy would have to mostly have exactly ATss to be donking this flop. I would get it in and live with results.

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