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07-24-2017 , 12:21 PM
Hey guys I just started a new account cause I have not posted since 2011! I have been playing since 2003, and reading a lot the past few years. I wanted to get some feedback on if I messed up getting max value in this hand.

Foxwoods 1-2

I just won a $600 multi way pot with a river flush only having to call $50 to see the river. I sat down about an hour ago. Villain was not in that pot, but he was the loudest person at the table. He was about 60ish years old, had about $650 in chips, and loved to call raises before flops and loved to keep calling during the hand. I don't know how he got his stack, he was there before me. Villain is playing about 70% of pots preflop and continuing a lot after the flop. I am 41 year old WG, look like a fish at this point I hope.

EP 1 raises to $7
Villain $650 calls in MP
Hero $600 is BB with AA
Folds to me, I make it $35
EP 1 Folds
Villan calls

Flop around $77 is A84

I bet $40
Villan quickly calls

At this point I am hoping he has the case ace, but I have seen him calling flops a lot with nothing, thinking its just a c-bet bluff, Maybe he has 22-TT, AJ, AT, and other random holdings he is floating with.

Turn $157 maybe a tiny less from rake 8

So now I am thinking he will release all his total junk, but call with his higher PP's and maybe hands with aces. But I want to build pot for river bet.

Hero bets $60
Villain quickly calls

Its tough to put him on a hand here, there are no draws, I am guessing a PP, but really don't know.

River $277 J

Now I want to make a big bet in case he has something, but at this level villains tend to look at the bet size in absolute terms rather than in comparison to the size of the pot. Most V's dont even know how much is in the pot. Either way I want to get paid, so I am hoping he has something and also understands the bet I make in relation to the size of the pot.

Hero bets $160
V folds

I guess I should have made it $90? Maybe V calls with his PP, because it is less than the magic $100 threshold? Or was the $160 close to correct?
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07-24-2017 , 12:30 PM
bet more ott he's prob got an ace go for more value to like 95. If he folds he folds but if he had a hand of value we make more money.
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07-24-2017 , 05:44 PM
As played check flop.

As played check turn.

As played bigger on the river.
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07-24-2017 , 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Jarretman
As played check flop.

As played check turn.

As played bigger on the river.
The guy is a loose passive calling station, why would I check?
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07-24-2017 , 07:34 PM
Turn is a good one to check to give opponent a chance to bluff with their float.

Then bet pretty big on river if it checks through.

As played, I think a smaller river bet is better. You block so many strong hands and are rarely bluffing in this spot, so need to bet smaller.
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07-24-2017 , 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ImAllInNow
Turn is a good one to check to give opponent a chance to bluff with their float.

Then bet pretty big on river if it checks through.

As played, I think a smaller river bet is better. You block so many strong hands and are rarely bluffing in this spot, so need to bet smaller.
Thanks for the reply, the more I think about it I tend to agree. I just wanted to get more money in the pot ott to set up a big river bet. I wish I would have checked ott.

Lets say I cgeck turn and call his bet. River?
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07-24-2017 , 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by GimmieChips
Thanks for the reply, the more I think about it I tend to agree. I just wanted to get more money in the pot ott to set up a big river bet. I wish I would have checked ott.

Lets say I cgeck turn and call his bet. River?
I think either check/raise turn or check/call check/raise river. Both have merit and depend on what you think opponent does with worse aces otr (check back r bet) and whether you think he would ever bluff river after you call turn.

You seem too worried about getting paid huge with a massive hand. Sometimes your opponents just can't have very strong hands when you have a monster so you just can't go for max value since they'll never have a hand to call with.
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07-24-2017 , 07:51 PM
Checking turn is unquestionably horrible (esp once you bet flop). The 8 is a card that you have to punish a station hard for his 8x/57/56/67/Ax/44. So many of his flop calls are gutters that will ck-f riv.

As for checking flop, I probably wouldn't against this player, but there is value in letting him pick up some equity with his whole range.
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07-24-2017 , 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ImAllInNow
and are rarely bluffing in this spot, so need to bet smaller.
Definitely the last thing you should be thinking about vs this guy.

I think either he's got the case A or 8x and is never folding or he's folding almost regardless of size (besides something ridiculous like $50). Exploit that by betting big
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07-24-2017 , 10:02 PM
Checking anywhere in this hand is lolturrrrrible

Vs read is a station. We're trying to get him to bet for us? To c/r the turn?!? Smdh, no.

Just bet/bet/bet

Pre/flop sizes are good. Turn could be bigger. AP, river is a good size. We're not stacking Vs for 300bb often, so don't worry too much about it
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07-24-2017 , 10:54 PM
Once you've played enough poker, you realize its actually kind of crummy to flop a set with aces.

That said, its hard to play a set of aces incorrectly.
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07-25-2017 , 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by johnny_on_the_spot
Checking anywhere in this hand is lolturrrrrible

Vs read is a station. We're trying to get him to bet for us? To c/r the turn?!? Smdh, no.

Just bet/bet/bet

Pre/flop sizes are good. Turn could be bigger. AP, river is a good size. We're not stacking Vs for 300bb often, so don't worry too much about it
Hahaha maybe I started overthinking it. Maybe the bet/bet/bet line is best. I mean the guy is a station. I wanted to go more ott but was afraid I would lose him, and even at $60 it still sets up a decent size for 2/3 pot on river.

This may seem like an easy hand to some, but this is where I need to work on my game. Getting the maximum amount of value from good hands is where a lot of profit can come from. I need every possible chip.
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07-25-2017 , 12:56 AM
Bet pot on every street. Flop sizing was great. Turn - Bet pot again. River same. You got pretty good value considering you have the board locked down and only get paid by an 8.
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07-25-2017 , 12:56 AM
When you actually have k high here you will move up to 2/5 the next day. This guy is your favorite triple barrell target. Why does what u have matter?

Never check any street. The line is perfect

He peeled 2 streets with a gutter btw, everything else calls river and there is nothing on board to call with so awesome runout to bluff 3 streets
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