thanks for all the input.. well, i am mostly an online winning player (lot of table selection, etc) and want to play live recreationally.. never read any book and not motivated too.. ( i know thats the only way to learn tho

btw, your hand and the KK hand is slightly different i think, an open overshove all in on the flop from the non-aggressor is always weakness for me, but getting raised after being the tight aggressor is just hell.. it's like i expect to get called, but they end up raising.. which sucks.. maybe i should just buy in shallow to feel comfortable vs these fishes

buying in shorter will allow you to get more comfortable with stacking off and then evaluating their hand ranges. you said the guy showed a 7. he could have 87, which beats you. he could have 76 or 75 or 77 or even 74. if you stack off, you see the info. so, yeah, buying in short will help you learn, but it will reduce your ability to win big pots and will also INCREASE your variance. you will get called wider and you will get sucked out on.

i know, and that's why i'm in more dilemma now.. maybe i should just quit live poker.. lol

why quit? you are still either 3-2 or 4-2 in cash sessions. that's solid.

game select better, play mario cart.


btw BBV not llsnl

If you have not gone bust they have not gone really bad. I once shoved preflop with KK 5 times in one day and got called by worse hands every time and lost every single time. I went through more then $1000 that day. Variance at poker is huge and you just have to learn to deal with it.

The problem here is that you underplayed your hand and then folded to a raise. Depending on villain the fold could be correct, particularly against the min-raise on river. However, an aggressive or bad villain could be raising here with any KX figuring they are good. This is a judgement call and I would lean fold a lot depending on villain, but it isn't a trivial fold.

Preflop depends on the table, villains and stack sizes. In general though, the highest EV line for AK out of the blinds if your not deep is raise and aim to get it in if you hit.

The same guy min-raised you twice? At that point I'm even more suspicious of the min-raise. There are aggressive players who will min-raise their draws on these somewhat scary boards, knowing that tight players will lay their hands down too often. Random fish are more likely to slow play a flop like that, so the min-raise is often testing to see if your bet was a real hand or not.

With QQ+ if you can raise more then 10% of effective stacks and get callers it is +EV to stack off on all but the worst flops. If you raise to $30 and somebody with a stack of $150 calls you should be planning to get it in. If a raise to $30 is getting multiple callers, then raise more. The more they are willing to call, the more profitable it is for you.

You are scared money homie... Buy in with the minimum until you get better at poker.

So what do you do when you raise AK in the blinds and miss the flop?

In situations where effective stacks are small and villains are pot committed if they play along there is less reason to c-bet missed flops. Villains are too likely to feel like they can't fold any pair. I will still often c-bet good flops heads up, multiway though I'm mostly just giving up here. This can often feel weak/tight if it comes up hand after hand, but as long as villains are willing to call your very tight raising range out of the blinds it is +EV.

Deeper there is more range for c-betting because you can make a second bet on the turn without being pot committed, giving villain a lot more space to fold. It is much easier to get villains of mediocre made hands in those situations.

Two suggestions. Buy in shorter until you are more comfortable. It makes these situations much easier and less likely for Vs to sense your weak-tightness and take shots at you. Once you have a bankroll or enough money outside poker you have to absolutely think of them as chips and not money and think of the long term. If you ever build a stack so large and there are other stacks at the table that cover you that you start worrying about the money, then cash out. This can't be stressed enough and it's something it took me a while to lose my weak-tight tendencies.

Two, if you don't want to read a book, just read GG's thread http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...-3-nl-1303247/.

I play a very similar style and IMO, it's a winning strategy that reduces variance somewhat.

I think you are just playing far too nitty and not taking advantage of situations where you should be betting/raising for value. In two examples your passive play does not really show us where you are in the hand and you may be making incorrect/weak folds.

This seems way to bloggy/poker goals/BBV. I understand you are frustrated, but ranting and then asking people to help you play better is not going to make you play better. It takes time and a lot of work. If you want to make a poker goals and challenge thread to log all this stuff, go for it. This is not the place for it.