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Getting Check-Raised twice.  Difficult River Decision? Getting Check-Raised twice.  Difficult River Decision?

03-17-2018 , 06:20 AM
Been lurking for nearly a decade now, but this hand still has me scratching my head and prompted me to finally make an account and get more opinions.

2/5 live full table

Villain: ~950 tight, rec, been at the table 3 hours and only seen playing premiums. won a cooler AA>QQ about 20 min earlier

Hero: ~1700 solid rep (I think)

Hero is in the HJ with 9Td
Utg+1 (villain)raises to 25, hero calls, button and blinds fold

(~57) flop 24T rainbow
villain checks, hero bets 35, villain CR to 100, hero calls

(~257) turn K (completes rainbow)
villain checks, hero checks

(~257) river T
villain checks, hero bets 175, villain snap shoves ~825 (call 650 to win ~1250)

Is this an easy river decision with trips and getting nearly 2-1? Thoughts on the entire line? I tanked for a while and I will let you know what I decided on after.
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03-17-2018 , 06:46 AM
Super weird line by villain imo, but your line screams T, so he undoubtedly knows that, and he still shoves. You essentially beat no value hands with your 9 kicker, so against most opponents this would be a sigh fold, I guess. Ranging villain is pretty difficult though with a line like this.
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03-17-2018 , 06:59 AM
if V's been playing snug
smells like AA or KK
doesn't look to be A10 or 4 4 based on your assessment of him.
you beat AA and lose to all others thou
so I would fold here

Last edited by snowman; 03-17-2018 at 07:12 AM. Reason: typo
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03-17-2018 , 07:08 AM
TT, how would that work exactly?
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03-17-2018 , 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Homey D. Clown
TT, how would that work exactly?
meant 44
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03-17-2018 , 07:18 AM
I folded face up and the villain dragged the pot and didn't show. Like snowman said, my thought process was that I am only beating AA and bluffs which to this point he hasn't shown to be capable of.
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03-17-2018 , 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by SackCheese
I folded face up and the villain dragged the pot and didn't show. Like snowman said, my thought process was that I am only beating AA and bluffs which to this point he hasn't shown to be capable of.
In spots like this, this is mostly the most important aspect. Most guys just never ever do this as a bluff. There are always idiots who think they're value shoving AA here, but this guy is not an idiot, right?
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03-17-2018 , 07:53 AM
really looks like KK. If he has you beat.

and of course, the golden rule of live low limit poker is, CR all ins on the river are never bluffs.

also could be AT.

but really hard to pay that off for the price.
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03-17-2018 , 08:12 AM
We have basically the worst T we would have and river raises are rarely bluffs, I think I can bet/fold river

Also, probably bet smaller OTR. We're targeting crying calls from Kx and overpairs to T
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03-17-2018 , 08:38 AM
Fold to the first check raise.
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03-17-2018 , 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
Fold to the first check raise.
+1
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03-17-2018 , 09:43 AM
Your issue may go far beyond this hand. If you're not bluffing enough on the flop (you should generally be bluffing at a 2:1 ratio vs your value bets on the flop, with the opposite ratio on the river), then you're allowing V to play a hand like this perfectly with AT and KK.

I realize balance doesn't always matter in lower stakes NL vs. Your average V but people still realize your betting tendencies and see when your flop bets are weighted heavily towards top pair while checking your nutted hands and air.
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03-17-2018 , 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
Fold to the first check raise.
This is not bad advice. It's very likely I'm a lifetime loser for all the times I've put money in the pot after my suited connector made top pair. You only beat a bluff on the flop, and it would be really weird for him to bluff this way as the preflop raiser.

As played I think river is a puke fold. Your trips are just bluffcatchers. It smells like AT/KK/44 to me. There is a chance this is some bizarre bluff or massive overplay of AA/AK, but not a 33% chance.
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03-17-2018 , 10:14 AM
this hand screams A10 to me, probably suited.

Either way yes it's a fold
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03-17-2018 , 10:18 AM
Welcome to posting, OP.

Fold to the first c/r. You have TPNK. The only reason you called is that you're deep against a V who has a strong range with a good hand for flopping a monster to crack his premium. You didn't flop a monster. Fold.

Fold river, but not face up! Why would you give so much free info to the table?
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03-17-2018 , 10:36 AM
Agree with Mike to fold to the first c/r. On the river, you have a hand with some level of show down value. What hand did you think would call you that you beat? Best move is to check behind.

Agree also with Garick to never show your hand. All you did is tell people that you'll stab at pots and fold to pressure.
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03-17-2018 , 10:51 AM
Please don't check behind river. Fold to the first check/raise sure, bet river smaller sure, but please don't check behind.
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03-17-2018 , 11:41 AM
Thanks for the analysis guys. I can definitely see the point of folding to the first CR. My thought process and it could be way off, but his range to me at this point was JJ or better, smaller chance of a set, and very rarely AQ/AK. I felt like there was a lot of cards on the turn that could have improved my hand (9,T, another diamond). CR amount didn't seem to much at the time, but looking at it now, I guess it was pretty standard.

FYI, I almost never show. I felt that this time that maybe by showing then he would be more inclined to show as well. I guess I got owned all around. Still a profitable session. I thought I would ask here because my other friends pretty much felt it was full house. Other reg buddy at the table swears it was AA based on past play of villain.
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03-17-2018 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Homey D. Clown
Please don't check behind river. Fold to the first check/raise sure, bet river smaller sure, but please don't check behind.
Def the worst river for me. Lets say river is a 9. Check back for sure then or I'm I losing too much value in the long run?
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03-17-2018 , 04:41 PM
If the guy had AA hes a total donk.
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03-19-2018 , 10:16 AM
is there any merit in 3b T9s? (maybe when 100bb deep?)
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03-19-2018 , 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by fuutoN
is there any merit in 3b T9s? (maybe when 100bb deep?)
Yes, but not when the raiser is described as tight and is UTG+1
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