In your extremely long-winded, rambling attempt to convince yourself of how great you are, this stood out.

I'm glad you have your Knish-from-Rounders mentality. It's very noble. However, I hate to inform you of this, but I'm one of the recreational scumbags you snobbishly thumb your nose at, and I could sit in any game/stakes you've ever sat in in your entire life. People aren't lower life forms because they elect to take enjoyment in playing to go along with playing well and profiting.

If you took the top 100 professional poker players who had ever lived and sat them in the same poker room at a low stakes game with 10% rake, $5 max, and a dealer compensated by tips, 80% of them would be losing players. Hell, I'm convinced that a pretty hefty percentage of the people posting on this very site about being 1/2 or 2/5 NL pros are losing players. Also, writing in CAPS to get your point across stopped being effective in 1997.

Perhaps you haven't seen me post much. I'm pretty inflammatory on this site myself, although not in this forum. I have no problem with people being rude, and on top of that, none of the times I've commented on his rudeness has it been to me to begin with.

I comment on it because it's forced and ruins threads and insults new posters who are simply seeking answers to questions. I also comment on it because 75% of the time, he gets called on it, offers the same stupid apology over and over, and then does it again the next day.

I have no idea if he would do this online in the chat box or not. However, one thing is clear, the anonymity this site provides is clearly why it happens here. We all know he's probably some antisocial wallflower at the table who would never say any of this to anyone's face.

Like I said, ask your questions, don't worry about whether certain people looking to validate themselves by insulting others show up to be abusive towards your inquiries.

Rude is totally unnecessary and does little but create an advisarial situation and run off the more timid. The upside comments are little more than a weak justification for bullying.

Rude or not you guys really need to grow a thicker skin. Do you take your mothers to the casino to tell off the degenerate scum bags that you play with? Necessary? Probably not. Tolerable. Probably so. If it was that inflammatory he wouldn't be here. Our esteemed mods would see to it.

And lmao at 80% of pros being losers in a 1/2 room. Such fish talk. The other night the guys at my table were saying Phil Ivey couldn't win there because everyone would try to run him down and he wouldn't be able to adjust. I argued for 30 seconds and gave up.
Seriously guys let it go. You come off as total pansies.

dgiharris,

I read post here daily and I just thought I would chime in and say that I appreciate a harsh post every now and then. It wakes me up and allows me to regain my focus.

Okay so back on topic.

[I am assuming you know 100% that they didn't look]

I'd like to go ahead an reiterate a previous poster's statement saying that if you have a large enough bankroll (my guess, 25-100 buy ins) then you should snap call. The numbers are on your side.

I, on the other hand, am just as TAG as you are. I am not a high roller by any means and with QJo, frankly, I don't like watching coin flips go down unless it's late in a tournament.

I like to think about it this way, if he keeps making these maniac shoves (you mentioned he shoves often) then just wait until you have good cards to make that call (maybe only snowmen and above).

There's no reason you can't make that call too.
If I offered you $50 with the promise I would offer you $ 80 in an hour you'd gladly take it.
You're saying "I'll pass on the $50 because you're going to give me $80 in an hour."
It makes no sense. Take the full $130! if you don't take it someone else will. Or he could change his mind and leave before he gives you the second gift. Now you're out both.

If you're talking to me, I definitely understand where you're coming from. The only thing is, I'm currently a college student so by no means do I have an astronomical roll. I continue to try to be more wary, even if I have to pass up opportunities like that. I know it's not the "right" move to make, but given my circumstances, I'd like to think it is.

The bankroll aspect has been addressed itt and is a legitimate reason to pass on it. Hopefully you can run good and get rolled. I'm in the same boat. I took $1000 of my student loan last year and invested in myself. Luckily I was able to grow a good br to the point that my ror is very low nowadays so I can go after these spots. The problem is that a lot of posters are turning these down for reasons other than bank roll.

I'm late here but this is totally how I feel.

you open to $20 w/ 97s, two players call, SS OTB shoves for $80, don't you raise to isolate and flip w/ SS because a> it's profitable and b> it creates an image (for free)

Regarding paragraph 1, this was asked and answered already almost immediately above. Reading comprehension ftw.

Regarding paragraph 2, I think you're not following where I was going with that. Reading comprehension ftw.

being a self righteous DB ftw? you're idea of winning is on par with Charlie Sheen. Be offended if you want. No one gives a ****. how about you drop it and actually try contributing to the original purpose of the thread; something to which you've only devoted about three sentences. I bet they gave you smiley faces instead of grades in school.

Results? I'm snap calling all day because of the lolz as mentioned, but this move could do wonders for your image as well.

you could distill five pages of ThisThread down to a few carefully chosen words, and have killed it. Theres no ambiguity about this decision whatsoever.

Personally I have no roll and live to gamble so if u see said maniac not look at his cards ill look at one A an call let alone 2 broadway cards an with the extra 50 ???? Easy snap call....as far as DGI goes certain people(myself being one)appreciate the posts he makes because it makes u think about playing better constructive criticism Is a very good thing for poker players

If you don't have the bankroll for this call, I'm pretty confident you don't have the bankroll to play at all. If I did the math right, you're risking 121 for $60 of +EV. It's really hard to find much higher EV situations in poker than this with any regularity.

This.

This thread is a textbook example of nits failing to calculate pot-odds and relative hand strength. Despite the math, they still can't call because for an allin they need at least a set, even if their equity combined with odds is no stronger against their opponent's range than it is here.

The answer to OP's question is very clear and seemingly obvious, but the real enlightenment in this thread comes from some of the responses.

I would have called. Q10 is marginal but you have no other callers and the guy is a donkey. Vs a totally random hand Q10 is at an advantage. The fact you observed him not looking at his cards makes this all the more convincing.

This really isn't so much of a gamble as much as it is a calculated risk - and a risk extremely in your favor. I mean, you're playing poker: if you're afraid of losing money due to variance this probably isn't the game for you.

Other than the bolded, I don't even understand what any of this means, other than it being a tirade over the fact that you're angry that I quoted one of your posts in a fashion you don't like. Nice Sheen reference though, always good to be topical.

As far as contributing, it's a fairly easy hand to analyze, and almost everyone in the thread has done so along the same lines. I posted my contribution earlier, there's not much else that can be said. QTo is a solid favorite over any random XxXx hand, which is what Villain will have if Hero is 100% positive that the shove was blind. It's call-worthy even without the added $50 incentive. With it, it's a snap call.

Other than the OP, virtually everyone in this thread has advocated a snap call, there are few responses that don't. Did you mean that poker outside of this site has nits in general, and that's why we have a new player here making this thread?

What's odd is OP isn't a new player. In fact, he joined in Feb. 2004 and has almost 1.5k posts. I would think in 8 years he would have learned a little more...

Well, that's my mistake. I'll alter that to "an infrequent poster".

This was a snap call for me also. I posted it because of the comments that were made at the table and thought that it might make for an interesting thread.

fwiw I am new to nlhe playing 1-2 unless a 2-5 is spread (rarely) so I need a lot of help and have always gotten that from 2+2. Almost all of my posts to date have been in the middle limit he limit section as I play mostly 15-30.

It is too bad that the post degenerated onto a politeness tangent. (Mostly my fault). I am not thin skinned but just believe that there is never a justification for rudeness. I am sorry now that I mentioned that.