+1

TT is just going to see so many poor flops, and with crazy multiway action we set ourselves up for making pretty big mistakes.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Not meaning to derail, nor necessarily come to the defense of a troll, but this is pretty wrong, at least in my experience.

Earlier this year I was tracking the preflop aggression factor in my games. I did ten 1 hour samples (admittedly, lol sample size), all at what I considered "standard" tables, who all had a shuffle machine, and all have relatively competent dealers. Average hands per hour: 30.4. To be honest, I was surprised it was so high (I would still guess my overall average is less than this).

Dealer competence is also highly overrated in terms of hands per hour, and mostly hands per hour is more dependent on the game type. If you're somehow hitting 40 hands an hour (which seems *insanely* high to me), you're probably playing in a horrible game. If you're playing 20 hands an hour (which means most pots are going multiway to the flop / turn / river), you're likely playing in an awesome game.

G/derailG

Ill count again in my next few sessions. Ive done it about 10 times for 3-4 hours each and each time I get 38-43. People seem to think my games are really good so......

Ill post in my PGC as to not derail this anymore then we already have

FYP

Good idea, I'll post my results in there as well.

GcluelesshandsperhournoobG

I must be the only one here willing to shove it in preflop.

I’ve always been interested in this... will take account of my game this Saturday night too.


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If we phrased it from Villain's stand point with a limp/reraise, we see the value of it.

I straddle to $10 on the button, SB/BB/UTG and UTG+1 (Nitty Villain) call, I raise to $70 with XX, folds to Nit UTG+1 who reraises to $300 all in. What range do we call with?

I think villain often throws away stuff away that we are behind of or flpping like AQ, KQ, JJ, etc. A lot would expect AA/KK here, and they may even fold QQ or AK, depending on how nitty you've been. All of that is a great result.

Don't tip out of your stack in the middle of a big hand. You're violating table stakes and no one will say anything because it's small money and it's going to a good cause, but it's bad etiquette.

Nice hand. He's probably lying about folding QQ, but I've seen people do silly stuff like that before.

Next poster that talks anything about winrates in this thread gets a three day vacation.

Limp/shove pre seems by far the best option.

Or you can re-ban outdonked again

maybe the most optimal line is limp/shoving. but I don't think it's great. if the table really is that loose, it would be a miracle to be a big favorite in an all-in spot. likely it's coinflip. if it's disaster, you're way behind.

sure, TT is a great hand. but in this kind of table and this kind of position, why not just limp with some potential strategies in mind? looks like the 72 raise really didn't do what it intended. it's very good luck that it was a 9 high flop. one overcard makes it pretty dicey, two overcards is a definite check/fold.

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I was playing 2/5 the other day and I was doing pretty decent. I got TT UTG (no straddles). one guy in late position was a loose cannon -- lots of aggression and raising. people were playing hands fast. I limped. a few callers, he raises it to 30. another guy in late position calls, I call and 2 others call. so yeah, now I'm setmining. but with 150 in the middle and aggro-city behind me, that's not a bad thing. flop is Qs 9s 6c. I check and there's lots of betting. the aggressive guy ended up bluffing the turn with a 185 bet with pocket 4's. turn was a blank pretty much. did I play it sub-optimal? for sure. I just didn't like that spot.. I dunno. I also usually play 1/2.

I don't think the aim for most of us should be playing absolute optimal poker. it should be playing good/great poker and avoiding bad errors. I'm sure results are pretty good then.