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Fun hand: full house vs. extreme LAG Fun hand: full house vs. extreme LAG

05-21-2019 , 10:23 AM
check again, mostly calling again given your description
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05-21-2019 , 10:29 AM
If you weren't quite sure what she was doing yet, you should have folded A7 even quicker.
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05-21-2019 , 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Homey D. Clown
If you weren't quite sure what she was doing yet, you should have folded A7 even quicker.
I wasn't quite sure, but I had an idea, and I'm glad I tested it (although it was a little more expensive than I would have liked). Finding out she does this with 32o was valuable information.
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05-21-2019 , 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Javanewt
I wasn't quite sure, but I had an idea, and I'm glad I tested it (although it was a little more expensive than I would have liked). Finding out she does this with 32o was valuable information.
Sure it was, but was it worth 75bb? I have no doubt you could have gotten this information for free if you had let someone else pay for it.

Even with this information I still don't think A7 is ever a flat for this sizing, by the way, although I don't know the effective stacks.

In this A9 hand, with everybody knowing about the BTN by now, you would also have to be very sure that none of the limpers are trapping a big hand before you should consider playing it imo.
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05-21-2019 , 11:59 AM
Flatting pre with A9s is correct.

As played, probably x/c to the river then x/r.

(32 hand is played fine, but probably fold to the $70 river bet. The thing is that V is probably never checking any strength here OTF... e.g. overpair, so your spidey-sense should have perked up then.)
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05-21-2019 , 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Homey D. Clown
In this A9 hand, with everybody knowing about the BTN by now, you would also have to be very sure that none of the limpers are trapping a big hand before you should consider playing it imo.
That's why I flatted and didn't 3bet. I didn't think UTG (who did call the $40) was going to trap, but he was my one concern. I hoped crazy would 3bet, because my A9s is ahead of him and I was willing to play for his stack. There was one other limper I also wasn't worried about -- non-creative, passive player.
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05-21-2019 , 12:38 PM
Thanks for posting this. It is one of these weird live spots you'll never see discussed in a poker book or whatever.

I'd be kind of uncertain what to do pre as well and all options make some sense to me.

There are some practical considerations. If you're OK losing multiple buy ins, you can be more aggro. If you have 1, 2 or maybe 3 buy ins, I think it would be foolish to blast off one of them with A9s. This is a golden opportunity and you don't want to squander it and be driving home with like $35 sklansky bucks in your pocket after getting all in pre with A9 vs KJ and 77 against AT. And of course, she will get real premiums as much as anyone else.

On the other hand, you want to get more than your fair share of the loot before she goes broke.

So, generically, I lean to calling and playing poker. Just because she is raising wide doesn't always mean she is calling 3!s with tons of hands far worse than a9. She has posiition too so our slim advantage in hand strength doesn't amount to a lot. When she does call, and we miss the flop it's tricky. I've seen plenty of regs blast off a stack to this type of fish with hands like a9s. Also, unless she is just absolutely clueless, she will often just shut down when we pair our ace, knowing we have aces a lot.

Post, we just want to get stacks in.
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05-21-2019 , 01:42 PM
Check and call quickly. What a great river.
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05-22-2019 , 08:44 AM
Flop ($155): 9s9dTd

SB checks, Hero checks, limper checks, V bets $75, SB fold, Hero flats, limper folds.

Turn ($305): 9s9dTdTc

Hero checks, V bets $150, Hero? Flat or shove (or fold, but I can’t imagine anyone actually doing that)?

Hero calls $150

River ($605): 9s9dTdTc Kd

Hero checks; V shoves and Hero beats her into the pot then hears the lovely words, "Oh, f*ck you must have a ten." I show my A9 and she mucks. The best part was that crazy limper folded a 9 pre and he went on tilt.
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05-22-2019 , 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Amanaplan
Did you walk away with all her money? Did she rebuy over and over? You just can't use the same net as the other 95% of players to catch a unicorn. So, when others want to call and fold, consider what calling and 3betting does. How to size it, when to shove. I have to say that the tighter UTG limper makes things a touch trickier as the GG strategy is a max exploit in these games when dealt nutty hands.
Yes and yes. It was a lovely night for poker. Made a about $1,100 in three hours and went home to get a good night's sleep.
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05-22-2019 , 10:22 AM
not enough info on the LAG to make this decision. there are some LAGs that this would be a never fold situation every time. and other LAGs where an instamuck would be correct.

pre... you should think about either 3!ing or just shipping it. I have seen drunk LAGs call for 1k+ with 54s or JTs or 33. A9 is way ahead of her opening range and all you are doing is setting yourself up to getting outplayed on the flop. the entire reason why she is opening up so wide pre.
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