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07-14-2018 , 04:09 PM
This is my first post so let me know if I do something wrong.

I am at a 1/3 table and the effective stacks are about 200 bb. I've only been at the table for about 2 orbits so no real reads.

villain: Middle Aged BM, appears to be a reg. Loud and a little obnoxious. He has me covered. Has only played a couple hands.

Hero: Have played 2 hands in 2 orbits won both before river.

OTTH: Folded to Hero MP with QQ who raises to 12
Villian calls from Btn and others fold.

Flop: Q1010
Hero checks, Villain bets 20, Hero calls.

Turn: 5
Hero 45, Villain calls

River: 3
Hero shoves, villain calls and turns over pocket 10's.

The guy next to me turns and says, "you should have folded, everybody knew you had queens full."

First, is it really possible that everybody "knew" I had queens full?"
Secondly, is anybody ever folding the nut full house. I mean, it seems to me that if you have four of a kind and I have the nut full house, you're just getting paid. Am I wrong?
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07-14-2018 , 04:14 PM
no I would not consider folding top boat. At your stack depth it didn’t even cross my mind. I think your PFR, x/c flop, lead turn and lead jam river is a really weird line though
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07-14-2018 , 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by jc315
no I would not consider folding top boat. At your stack depth it didn’t even cross my mind. I think your PFR, x/c flop, lead turn and lead jam river is a really weird line though
At what stack depth would it cross your mind? If you're gonna fold top boat on this board bc of stack depth you need to play a shorter stack lol..

OP this is a cooler (a real one) & folding at any point would be awful. Like beyond awful.

Is your stack depth really correct tho? You just jam like 500 or so on the river? Can't really think of a hand that can call that outside of Q10 or 1010.

I think the best line is to just bet 3 times & hope you win a big pot vs a 10. You can check hands like AA or KK here but top boat gotta go for max value.
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07-14-2018 , 06:14 PM
Yeah I don't understand the action, either. You shoved $500 into a $158 pot on the river?

I'd much rather bet smaller and snap off a shove. No, you're never folding. Ever.
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07-14-2018 , 06:36 PM
Fold pre, fold flop, fold turn, fold river....
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07-14-2018 , 06:59 PM
Oh...sorry (as I said it's my first posted hand) The stacks were 100 big blinds not 200.
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07-16-2018 , 11:20 AM
Preflop depends on how many limpers for me and other table dynamics.

SPR looks to be 12ish, so in order to play for stacks (which we do) we kinda really need a flop bet going in. So I'd mostly bet the flop for at least 1/2 PSB. Straight draws could easily peel, as could Qx, and hopefully he has Tx, or maybe he tries to get fancy and scare us off our obvious looking cbet. As played (checking), I probably also call. Does your room not have a BBJ? Very odd that someone would bet a made BBJ hand on the flop.

As played I also donk the turn (but note how much stronger our line looks compared to cbetting the flop). I'd probably size up and just hope for the best.

Love our river overshove, as at this point we're just praying he has Tx and can call it (as there ain't much else out there that can call anything). Although I guess you could argue for a weak bet hoping that induces busted draws, and of course we'll expect Tx to raise.

For 100bbs, we're not folding top full house.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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07-16-2018 , 11:55 AM
Bet the flop for $15. We have the board crushed, but there's a good number of hands V will call flop with but may not bet {Some underpairs, straight draws}. He may even raise a Tx for us which would be great.

I don't mind the turn donk bet as played, but it just feels like we are making up for our goofy flop play when we could get more value more often with a bet/bet line. Even throw in a bet/check if we think he may make a bluff with his draws, knowing he will value bet his Tx for us too.

Love the river overshove. Don't give him a chance to ck back or call for less.
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