I was not in the hand, but on the table and saw it go down. I have played with hero often but not villain.

Hero- competent reg, thinking player. Good at value betting, can make big calls and folds. Villain, no reads but doesn't seem to get out of line.

1/2 Effective stacks $450+

Hero - A8 off raises $10 in early.
Villain 3 bets to $25, hero calls.

Flop A 8 x

Hero bets $40, villain calls.

Turn 8, hero bets $80, villain calls.

River is a blank. Board reads A 8 x 8 x Pot is $300ish

Hero bets $140, about $150 left in stack. Villain goes all in and covers.

Hero?

AP hero calls obviously. But hero should fold pre and then fold pre again to the 3bet. I hope villain has AA, so long as I don't have to listen to hero telling everyone how 'unlucky' he is.

Is Matt Damon in rounders? Did he eat the cookie, or no?

1)How does the description "competent reg, thinking player" correlates with raising with A8 from early position, and then calling a 3 bet out of position with that hand?


2) As played we are not folding with these stacksizes. However, if we are beat here by AA, its simply a consequence of the bad preflopcall: what happens postflop from that point on is simply a string of follow up mistakes compounding on executing poor preflop hand selection.

lol

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pay that man his money

Isn't it important to know what position villain is 3betting from and what the blank turn card is?

Fold to the 3bet. Description of hero is way off once he calls. Can't fold now.

He folded? Idiot. Seriously.

Hero SHOWS that he folded a boat in that situation? If I was a big enough nit to fold there, I sure as heck wouldn't show what I folded

Raising A8 UTG if we are playing short yes no issue, or maybe playing a very tight/easy table maybe but I feel this is a loosing play in the long run. As far as calling pre what's is Hero plan when he bricks the flop or even worst hits his A or 8 does he really think he is going to win a big pot ever. Folding river seems bad too me since villains range is better AK to A10- AA to 99 that may play the same. Remember if hero is as decent as u say he is villain should have pick up on this and I doubt he is 3 betting light the UTG raise unless he's and agro with no respect for hero.

Yes Hero showed, I was sitting next to him. My jaw just dropped, I was speechless.

As I said, I played with Hero often and he is a competent player, will try bluffs in the right spots, can make good laydowns. I just couldn't believe he would fold 2nd boat.

Might as well not play poker if you're going to do that.

And never show that you did!!!

- Hero raises highly -EV hands OOP + calls 3 bets with said hands OOP + folds 2nd nuts when calling is a trivial decision

- Hero is 'competent'

Pick one

Yeah..maybe in this hand he completely butchered it...but in my time playing with him he makes the right decision over 80% of the time.

That's why I was super shocked. He probably figured what could villain be raising him on the river, only 1 hand makes sense.

So I give him credit for that, but still couldn't believe he laid it down.

I doubt that this player makes correct decisions over 80% of the time, unless he only smokes rock before 15% of his games or something.

Hero can come sit at my table all day everyday if he's folding that, esp with only 100 something behind it... Just wow. #Mindblown

Is it possible that you could provide us with some answers to the arguments/questions you have gotten in this thread so far,instead of just repeating to claim how competent hero is supposed to be?

Let me repeat my question: how does "competent,thinking player" correlates with raising A8 from early position and then proceed to call a 3 bet out of position with that hand?

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Gilmour- I've played with Hero enough to know he's a decent player. I could write up several other hands he was involved in but really don't feel like it.

On this hand he probably messed up. I can't claim to know his thought process as it wasn't me.

We are all human. Many competent, winning players still do stupid things from time to time. Maybe he just wanted to gamble. Who knows.

If you choose to be involved in pot with hand like A8, you're probably hoping to flop two pairs or better and get value from all the stronger aces. He flopped two pair and then turned full house and then folds the river with $100+ left behind and $600+ in the pot?

I mean, you got what you asked for, you beat all better aces that would 3bet you preflop (AK,AQ,ETC.). Yeah, of course he might have aces, but really, what are the odds? Villain was described as someone who seems to not get out of line, but that probably doesn't mean that he has aces in this spot most of the time. If he was super nit, then maybe that fold could be relevant, but not like this.

That does not make much sense to me to be honest. His mistakes in this hand shows a lack of basic skills in several areas in his game. Chances are that you are exaggerating and misjudging heros actual skillevel.

Also in my experience its quite a big difference sometimes in what premises different people use to determine if a player is competent or not. Somebody get carried away if a certain player can pull off a huge bluff (omg this guy is the next Tom Dwan), somebody get impressed with extreme laggy play like 3 betting with junk as 3-4 or 5-6, and so on.

When a player shows that he lacks very important basic skills like executing proper preflop hand selection and positional awareness (calling a 3 bet out of position with garbage), i am generally really sceptical about those players actual skillevel. Chances are that he has several big leaks in his game, chances are that has just been running hot for a period of time, and that he isnt as good as you think he is.


This hand should never have been taking place, and all the money hero put in postflop only to fold river with a gazillion in there is simply a sideeffect made possible by not making the easy fold preflop.

Well, that's why I was so shocked when I saw him fold. I mean for that little money, but if his read was correct and villain did have AA's then yeah it was a good read.

Villain himself said "good fold"...who knows, he could have been lying. But he seemed quite confident.

Not defending Hero's play, as no way I fold that myself.

Like I said before, I've played with Hero often, he makes good reads, willing to call an all-in with a pair if he feels it's a bluff. This time his read was villain had AA....

lol @ the raise pre
lol @ calling a 3b
lol @ folding at any point after the flop
lol @ folding a boat that loses to exactly one combo

V sounds awful