Saturday night game. 1/2 table, softer game, people having fun.

Villain 1 (448)-sat down 15 min ago from another table with larger stack than buyin. Chatty, playing a lot of hands, not raising preflop much but probably playing 40% of hands. Just won a pot from him where he kept saying "check" as I am betting flop and continues saying "Check" after my bet is out on felt, eventually calls. Same thing as I bet turn, he keeps saying "check" and then folds. Chalking this up to him trying to be funny/annoying/goofy.

Villain 2 (110) -Nitty player, seems to know basics. He's been at table for about 40 minutes. Hasn't played a lot and two hands he did play he ended up pushing small stack on river, winning and not showing. Stack $110

H (1100) just doubled up, not sure if villain 2 is paying attention to more than his cards. Villain 1 only been at table for 15 minutes, so not sure what image he has of me although I've been playing fairly tight and won one hand from him.

Folds to button. Villain 2(button) raises to 12. Villain1 (sb) calls. Hero(BB)call with 44

Flop(36) K74
V1(SB) checks
Hero(BB) checks
V2(button) raises to 15
V1 calls
Hero calls

Turn(81) K
V1(sb) checks
Hero(bb) checks
V2(button) raises to 20
V1-calls
Hero-reraises to 80
V2-folds
V1-calls

River(261) 2
V1-checks
Hero-Bets 100
V1-reraises all in for 251 more(351 total). V1 moved all in by stacking chips in one tall pile, with figurine card protector put on tap of stack. I ask him if he has pocket 77s and he smiles, turns the figure towards me, at some pt he even picks up the figurine and gives it a kiss. He then touches my arm and pretends to take my pulse and tells me my heart is racing.

You call?

Never folding here without a soulread too bad if you got stacked

Lead flop

As played c/r turn bigger

As played bet river bigger

As played snap

Calling 251 to win 712 you need to be good about 1/3 of the time. It is really strong when he check/calls your turn x/r then CRAI the river fearlessly he could easily have K7 or 77. I think given your description of him I sigh call hoping he is spazzing with something like KJ 1/3 of the time.

My chips beat his into the pot.

WP, OP.

Snap call.

Bigger raise on Turn yes .. only $60 into $140 for you and $60 into $200 for v1/him. Pretty cheap if anyone is paying attention to that. A bigger raise on the Turn makes the River much easier to gii one way or another.

Only other option on Turn is to raise to $50 so that you can re-raise if V2 shoves.

AP I can actually get away from this with a decent read ... A little bit of scared money with bottom boat (I play Omaha too) but the flat on the Turn and the check on the River are pretty scary for me as it plays out in my head. You are betting more like Kx to me, which is fine since you want 'other' Kx to keep calling but my experience with V as described (callers - high VPIP) is that they have super strong hands when they go all in.

Not so sure this was 77, but it certainly could be K7/K2/77 ... probably K7s as I think 77 will want to get a call from Kx hands with weak kicker rather than risk the free showdown on the River.

I probably bet out on the Turn with 'this guy V1' and a short stack in the hand even though the board is rainbow/junk except for kx. I don't want a free River card with bottom set as you don't have a read on V2's range and you are pretty much forced to have him all-in on the River anyway ... just get it done when you 'know' you are ahead. These are the type of WAWB hands that can cost you and you would've seen a little bit more on the Turn for your decisions on the River.

Easy to assume you were beat, but I just don't like the feel here right now. G

Pretty gross, I might actually find a fold here unless V is stupid enough to shove river with AK. I would have just potted the flop and then 3/4 pot turn and river, maybe c/r this specific turn but I hate the c/c c/r bet river line since it's so nutty and even your average fish knows how strong it is....then V shoves over top for another 125bb anyway? How can you possibly be winning here? River bet is also way too small, should be $175+ and I would probably just overbet jam it since V probably doesn't fold very often after calling the turn c/r.

Meh... I hate bottom set. Its hard to love getting all in. But I'm calling.
V1 sounds so nutted, and just waiting for his chance to pounce.

Absolutely gross. Is he really shoving here with Kx?

It's a gross spot but can he over play KJ-KQ or a slow-played AK in this spot?

I don't understand betting $100 OTR. I'd think you'd bet more for value (in which case, calling the shove is less consequential due to the odds), or, if you were nervous, check behind.
It feels like an amount someone would bet/fold. I wonder if he's interpreting it as weakness.
If you bet small in order to fold to a raise, then you got your wish. I think, bet bigger on the river, call the raise.
It does feel like he's got a big hand here though.
Called a raise from Sb preflop.
Called flop bet.
Called turn bet, called turn check raise.
Check raised river.
This is a pretty strong line. I think he shows up with Kx some percentage of the time, and you win. I don't know if your hand is good here more than half the time but it's hard to fold a full house.
K7 might check raise flop. 77 probably plays like this. K2 is so unlikely. AK, KQ, KJ, KT might play like this. Maybe k9 or K8.
Tough spot. I call. Don't like it.

Thanks for all the thoughtful responses.

Some of my thoughts- I agree that I probably should of bet more on river and probably moved hand along a little quicker on earlier streets. I think if he is calling $100 he is calling $150/$175. I just thought I was golden, and was afraid of actually pushing him off of maybe a K10 or worse. This is a guy who could potentially show up with K8/K6/K5.

What is eating at me with this whole hand and made me post it is the river check raise. I think we can all agree that I am basically snapping any reasonable bet out from him on the river. I think a player with a K could do that with AK down maybe to K10, thinking he was good for value. I would think most 1/2 players with a weaker K would check/call maybe KJ down(there is some overlap here between betting out and checking).

BUT who is check-raising with a hand I can beat? Once I raise on the river the pot is at 361. I've shown a good bit of strength. Maybe someone with an AK, but I would think most AK hands that thought they were good would lead out. Is someone with a KJ check raising me for value? I think PEXW is write in his comment when he writes "I sigh call hoping he is spazzing with something like KJ 1/3 of the time". So is this happening 27%(712-261) of the time at a 1/2 game?
I think that for someone to plan out a check/spazz raise on the river with the way the hand played out at 1/2, I don't know, I feel like I'm actually leaning toward a fold. I think that if I had to put a percentage on it, I'd say maybe 10-15% might do a play like this with a hand I can beat. Thoughts? Thanks again for all the great comments. I thought it was an interesting hand, and all the "gross" comments are reflecting my feelings during the hand and still as I try to piece it together.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think your math is right. You are calling 251 to win 712, so you need to be good 251/712 = 35% of the time. I don't think it's correct to add your 251 to the denominator when calculating calling odds.

not folding. shove riv instead of bet small

you are not correct. risk /(risk+reward) is the formula so u do have to add ur 251.

so he needs 26% equity to breakeven

74% of the time I lose my $251 = $185.74
26% of the time I win $712 = $185.12

If Hero is good here, he is up against a 5/10; 2/5 player having fun, or, the guy is stoned/drunk.

A 1/2 player with the ballz to pull off a bluff like this is a very rare bird. He is making a substantial c/r all-in after you made a substantial bet on the river. If he was bluffing, would he try and goad you into calling? Also, as a rule, people who are bluffing don't start talking.

Of course, a 1/2 player who can lay down a full house on the river is a very rare bird also.

You definitely should call in this spot. You cant be under the assumption that he has made a set of 7's, a weak live player could easily make this play having made trip kings w/ AK and believes that you re raised him on the turn with any Kx.

35% is the right number.

Never folding here, unless villain is a regular that I have lots of history with. Seen way too many spazs at 1/2 to fold this hand. Can't win every one.

If you're going to fold otr then fold pre. You're not setmining to stack the guy with $110 right? You're playing to hit a set and get ai with the SB. The RIO should be factored in when you call pre, there will be times you lose, oh well.

As for getting the most money in ahead, shove ott. Kx isn't folding, if he has 77 it sucks, nothing else is putting $5 in.

No, it isn't. He needs 252 back from a final pot of 963.

It's a tricky spot, because if villain is bluffing, he's more likely to open-shove, rather than give hero 1st shot. So villain probably believes he is betting for value.

Just guessing, but I might think this villain is barreling 26% and you have to call it off. VB 74% barreling 26%?

If you are correct, then with 35% equity, he is losing $251 65% of the time = $163.15
He is winning $712 35% of the time = $249.20

If you own a reputable poker book, it must have the correct way to compute the required equity for break even on calling a possible bluff.

When is the last time you saw someone c/r shove river for 175bb that wasn't the nuts or second nuts? How about on a paired board? I would expect Kx to lead the river almost always, not c/r shove. V c/r shove because he thinks you have Kx or 44 and he's got a bigger boat.

Well, there's already 175bb in the pot.

It's POSSIBLE that he's doing this because he can't find a fold. He checked the river because he's just not sure, but then hero spoiled it by refusing a free showdown. Now he doesn't want to call with his KT but he doesn't want to fold it either? This is the only way to beat hero's KQ?

It's possible he interprets the 100 as post oak.