Sb is loose passive, pretty much a calling station, almost never bets himself. Calls raises with 96s, A3o, T7o and such on the blinds.
BB is even more passive.
Both of them see a lot of flops and fold a lot on the flop or turn.
If they have the nuts, they move all in even if the pot is $50 and they have $350 behind.


$1/2 NL, $430 effective. I'm on the button with A8o and make $10 to go. Both blinds call. Flop is 8T8 rainbow and checked to me. I bet $15 and sb check raises to $30 and I call. Turn is an A. He bets $25, I make it $65 and he moves all in for $325 more.

Is this one of those situations where I was destined to go broke or I underestimated the super passive player?

Looks like a snap call to me, sorry he had TT

No. He had AA. Looks like a lot of $1/2 players play AA with just a call. He had 1 out on the flop and he got it on the turn. If I reraise the flop, he still would go all in but now I think I should have done it. In the long run I'm more than 9 to 1 favorite.

You're fully destined to go broke here. Assume he is only shoving with full houses. He has 3 combos of T8 you beat, and 3 combos of TT you lose to. Assume he raises in the blinds with AA at least, but below you're getting odds even if he doesn't. He also has 2 combos of A8 that you chop with.

Against a range of all full houses (AA, TT, A8 and T8) you have 45.6% equity. If I did the math right, there's 220 in the pot when he makes it $325 more all in. your odds are 325/870=37.36%, so you're definitely getting odds even if he has AA in his range. Remove AA from his range and you're slightly ahead.

I was in exactly the same spot just last night and like you I keep second guessing myself. Funny enough I also had eights full.

I think my call was poor but that's due to the player, I don't feel there's a hand where she ships and I'm ahead.

Sounds like you're in exactly the same spot.

Is this player capable of stacking off here with 8x, 10 8, or even something such as A10?

If you've seen them call down with trips and not ship then I feel you could possibly fold this.

But hey, I made the same mistake.

Here is the thing... I'm not sure it's a mistake. He called with all kind of trash on blinds before and called down to the river with 1 pair. He didn't reraise 1 pair or 2 pair but I'm absolutely sure he would go all in with all kind of 8 and definitely T8. 85 he's probably shipping it. I showed up with a couple of bluffs right before. The only hand I could put him on is TT and there are 3 combos of that hand... I excluded AA and A seemed like a miracle card for me. If a blank comes, I'd play more passive and lose less cuz that guy bets $25 on the turn, I call, and either ships on the river and I fold or bets minimum. He seemed to bet either minimum or just ship it.

It was also pretty late and for some reason I thought I beat tens full That mistake I can admit.

Is it really the correct play to call AA on sb?

Basically on the turn, if he can shove with T8, you need to call. There are 3 combos of T8 and only 4 combos that beat you, so you're getting odds to call. He doesn't need to play trips this way to make a turn call make sense.

Sorry I didn't mean you made a mistake. I meant I did.

I'm fine to get it in here if he's shipping T8 and as you say he ships trips too.

He played horrendously.

AP

Your hand was a little different since you had an underboat. In your hand, if V is only gii with a boat, you can fold, though I would have called because in your had there were straights and flushes possible as well. In this hand, even if V is only gii with a boat, we're getting odds to call.

3-bet the flop for value/information. A passive player raised you, so he likely has a hand you can get value from. Based on your description he doesn't seem to ever slow-play or bluff, so you can 3-bet/fold and if he just calls you can be confident you have the best hand. It's too soon to worry about him having a boat.

This line from this player is nearly always a boat. If he's stacking off with 8x here then your description is wrong, unless he just specifically overplays trips. T8 is a fold, but with A8 he could have T8 which you beat. Against a range of all boats you have equity to call.

Absolutely freaking not.

I think you forgot to post anything useful before you sent this.

It's just so sick when you grind 250 bb in 7 hours and lose it in a cooler situation. I ended up with $10 profit last night LOL

After having two distinct 14 buy-in downswings in a 300 hour span I've gotten better at appreciating the nights I manage to win anything at all.

Seems that I lose a lot with the second nuts. The most I lost in 1 hand was $500 with a straight flush by 1 card. He had a higher straight flush. I can't just call with a second straight flush, gotta ship it Flop was 567 of diamond, I decided to stick around with pocket 44 and 4 of and the river was 8 of , he bet, I raise (can't just call an UTG bet, there's likely high cards in his range). Second straight flush fish. You can wake me up at night and I will tell you this hand.