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Folding top pair pt. 2 Folding top pair pt. 2

03-31-2019 , 04:33 PM
Hi everyone,

Please check out pt. 1 first .

The game is 1/3 Uncapped. (Time Charge, +BBJ)

Hero (UTG) $400~: I am a teenager but regular at card club. My style is TAG but perceived to be loose by regs for a number of reasons.

Main Villain (BB) Covers. I have played with him several times before, but haven't played too many big pots with him. OWG. He is tight, as expected. but overplays one pair hands and likes to keep me honest. I am not sure how he views me.

Button Straddle $6. BB calls. I call with KcQs. My logic was that my hand is too strong to fold but too weak to raise UTG. Should I have raised.. or even folded? UTG +1 calls. MP calls. Button checks.

($30)- Kd38hh. BB leads $10. He would do this with any king+. I flat. (Should I be raising?) UTG +1 calls. Fold. Fold.

($60)-6c . BB leads $35. I was not sure what do here because I don't know if he would continue for this sizing after picking up two people with a weaker king. He's not the type to barrel with a draw unless it's a combo draw. I decide to call. Is this an easy fold? Player behind me folds.

($130) Blank. BB leads $35. This just screams value but I pay him off because I'm getting 4/1. I would guess I'm good just about 20% of the time but maybe not.

Did I play this hand terribly? Thoughts appreciated
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03-31-2019 , 07:51 PM
Two hands, two calls pf. You aren't aggressive.

I look at pf pretty simply. There are 4 elements to consider: Hand Strength, Initiative, Position and Skill. As a teenager, I would not be thinking I had a huge skill advantage. You don't have position. KQo is a top 8% hand. You're about 56/44 to having the best hand at that table with 7 players left to act. So that's good enough for me to think I'd have the hand strength advantage. If I take the intiative, I've got 2 of the 4 elements to go. So I'm raising pf.

Save your calls for your IO hands where you know you're behind, but you could flop big. For those hands where you don't think you're strong enough to raise, it is better to fold them than play them because they might be good.
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03-31-2019 , 07:53 PM
Pre fold or raise. This is not TAG play

River snap call.
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03-31-2019 , 08:29 PM
KQ offsuit isn't a hand that I want to play multiple ways. Raise it to $25 preflop or fold. I want to play this hand with the initiative. You're going to fold if anyone 3-bets you.

Raise the flop. The $10 bet from the BB is weak. Most players from the BB would check if they flopped a big hand, or they would bet more for value. This bet looks like a cheap steal or a weak made hand/draw that wants to see the next card for cheap.

As played, sigh, put the $35 in and see if you're good.
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04-01-2019 , 01:07 PM
KQo is crap, imo. It's a very speculative hand that can be played in LP in a cheap pot like all other speculative hands. This is especially true if you're a noobish player (if you're a seasoned 10bb/hr vet, whatever, do what you want). I fold preflop.

I'm fine with flatting the donk even though the bet is on the small side and the board is drawy. In the world of errors, when not committed I lean towards the smallish error of letting draws draw for an ok price versus the big error of building big pots multiway with mediocre hands. Let's see what happens, imo.

I'm ok with our turn call. The board is drawy and he's got two opponents; typically OMC bomb the pot here with their huge hands cuz they don't want to get sucked out on. In the reads it says he overplays TP, so he could easily be continuing with a weaker TP.

Getting this price on the river to this blocking type bet, I'm fine with calling. We'll lose a decent amount of the time but we'll win enough to be profitable.

Gpostflopplayhereisok,imoG
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04-01-2019 , 06:09 PM
As others have pointed out, stop describing yourself as TAG. You're not tight per the K8ss limp hand. You're not aggressive as you are limping of flatting often pre. You're clearly passive, pre and post.

Raise or fold pre if you don't know how to play the hand. GG makes a good point about KQo. While it's maybe a top 10% hand it isn't as easy to play as AQ and until you figure it out you may be better off folding it for now.

I don't mind flatting post with action behind AP. Since we didn't raise pre if we raise post we are likely not making the most +EV play. Since the pot is multi way and unprotected (no pre flop raise) someone could easily have 2 pair and just not know how to size properly. Flatting and allowing worse to come along isn't terrible. When it gets to the river heads up against a line with super weak sizing you have to call even though it's three streets and you will get shown 2 pair some of the time. You avoid this by raising pre and betting flop, that would be TAG.
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04-01-2019 , 06:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Minatorr
Pre fold or raise. This is not TAG play

River snap call.
This pretty much covers it.
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04-02-2019 , 02:45 PM
Thanks for all the advice guys. I'll learn from the mistakes I made in these hands.
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