Saw a crazy hand happen, I didn't actually participate but I'll write it like it's me.

Playing 1/2 at a home game, we are 800 effective with V. V is an older WG, not too many reads, seems passive pre-flop and pretty fishy post.

Hero raises KK in the HJ to 12, only V calls in the BB

Flop: KKA Pot = $25

V checks, Hero bets $10, V calls.

Turn: A Pot = $45

V checks, Hero bets $35, V raises to $70, Hero calls.

River: A Pot = $185

V jams for ~$700

???????????????

Are we folding quads here?

Pretty trivial fold, IMO. Villain's sizing is absolutely terrible. We have enough Ax to defend with against this sizing without even being exploitable, I think. Even if that wasn't the case I think villain's line is always Ax and we should exploitatively fold.

No.

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Fold pre.

Fold seems fine.

Ib4 this is a reverse HH and you tried to bluff V off quads with a lower pair.

Good post.

You didn't post the suits on the flop - but what would Villain be playing on the flop and turn other than an A? If the Villain is running some bluff with the turn raise and just happened to hit the two outer that makes the huge river bluff work, then I guess it's Hero's fault for not getting it all-in on the turn.

If I were Hero, on the turn: I'd say "all-in", toss a chip in and say "I guess we're chopping."

Agree seems like an easy fold. Since villain isn't calling flop and raising turn w/ anything except an A.

Very trivially easy fold, like easier than folding 23o on 28Kr to a 2x pot shove multiway. Your range for bet/calling the turn is {Many dozens of combos of Ax, one combo of quad Kings}. On the river, you will have the nuts literally 95% of the time. Him not having the nuts here is actually inconceivable.

Failing to 3b the turn is a mistake btw.

Fold pre

Think we should be 3b the turn though, we may not get full stacks occasionally in if we just overbet shove on a J/Q/10 river, and if we just raise normally on most river he aint 3b shoving the river with a naked A. In theory turn should be a snap call and not a shove but i just dont think enough players are yoloing betting rivers once we call the xr ott

Hmmm. Maybe? Is there any chance at all that V is capable of laying down an ace on a blank river? Because if not, we want to flat turn in order to lose less on specifically an A river. We'd want to be really, really sure that V can't fold an ace to an allin OTR though, so probably best to just 3b turn.

Yeah I probably would’ve three-bet turn hoping he has an A, cuz he’s never folding.

Results: KK tank-called and V flipped over QT. Proceeded to berate the guy with KK for like 5 minutes for slowrolling. (Lol)

Good God, lol. I would have bet any amount of money that the bettor had the ace.

lol the two worst plays in history of poker in the same hand.

If you want a reminder of how hopeless a lot of our opponents are at handreading and reasoning out hands, look no further than this guy who, even after he sees his opponent tank with KK, isn't like "well I guess it's reasonable that he thought I had the nuts for my turn x/r and nearly 4x pot bet OTR", but instead starts berating the guy for not instacalling with LITERALLY THE ONE COMBO THAT HIS BLUFF COULD POSSIBLY WORK ON.

+1

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Close enough.

He isn’t bluffing a high enough percentage of the time to make the call Profitable, no matter what was shown here.

Fold.



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Yup, this indeed.

No one ITT mentioned BBJ? youre all drunk

Obvi call and spike BBJ wtf?

Both cards have to play normally.
But good troll attempt.

In my home game, I usually hand out a schnaps very generously if someone loses with quads, one pair or King high.

I’m firmly in the raise turn fold river camp, but I can absolutely understand a call because people do weird things on nutted boards. They think you ‘don’t have it’ and shove to win your half of the chop. V doesn’t view it as a bluff, he views it as a value shove because of the FE he has.

Did this hand happen to the hero right when he/she got back from the bathroom?

So let me get this straight, we can defend with Ax (which loses to 1 combo and has blockers to and splits the Ax combos) but cant defend with KK which loses to 1 combo and beats all Ax combos, because for some reason V can do this with AA but not KK, but also with Ax some amount of time that is less than 1 combo worth? Also if youre folding KK but calling with Ax sometimes, V should jam every single Ax.

Super easy call, dude has plenty of spaz, plenty of "getting the chop to fold!" bluffs, etc.

the amount is "less than 1 combo" of bluff OR Ax.

Are yall trolling for real? I see people ship with rando **** in home games all the time. they do it like 1-2 times per game to remind everyone what a fish they are.

Er dude you may want to reread the hand.