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Folding QQ preflop multiway? Folding QQ preflop multiway?

02-17-2017 , 10:50 PM
1/2 home game. Everyone in this hand is fairly deep, and the table in general has seen several big pots AIPF tonight. Also, this hand involves three of the toughest players in our player pool.

Hero ($500): early 30's WG. Perceived as TAG. A little nitty pre for this game, but known to barrel and value bet big.

V1 ($600) 30 year old white guy. Thinking player and very aggressive. Opens light from most positions. He's on my direct right and has folded twice to my 3! tonight.

V2 ($400) 20 year old asian kid. Very splashy LAG.

V3 ($400) 20 year old asian kid. Friends with and backs V2 for 2/5. Plays 5/10 usually when he's at the casino (we're a few hours from nearest card room). Tons of gamble and frustrates a lot of the regulars in this game with his willingness to play for stacks.

V1 opens to $10 UTG
Hero calls. I felt weird raising here, as I've already 3! him twice and got folds. I decided to mix it up here and just call.
V2 calls CO
V3 raises to $50
V1 calls

Hero?

Can I call here, knowing V2 is likely coming along? He can be squeezing with all sorts of hands (I've seen him show up with nearly ATC in spots like this). Should this be a 4-bet?
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02-17-2017 , 10:57 PM
Your logic for not 3betting is backwards. And yeah back 4bet vs this fella.
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02-17-2017 , 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by meale
Your logic for not 3betting is backwards. And yeah back 4bet vs this fella.
+1 to both.

If he's folded to your 3b a few times already, he's not going to assign you a premium range when you 3b here.

If V3 is doing this super wide, just backraise shove and print dead money. I'd guess it'd be profitable if you did it face up. As is, you may also occasionally get called by worse; you're at the very top of your range, and maybe above the top of your perceived range.
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02-18-2017 , 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by meale
Your logic for not 3betting is backwards. And yeah back 4bet vs this fella.
I agree completely.

The fact that you've 3bet him a lot in the past is more reason to 3bet him again with QQ. He's probably sick of your **** and ready to fight back by now.

Also, the fact that he opens light from all positions is another reason to 3bet him with a wider range in general.

But as played, you should 4bet to about $150 with the intention of calling a 5bet shove or jamming any flop that doesn't have an Ace in it when called.
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02-18-2017 , 12:27 AM
4b!
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02-18-2017 , 04:33 PM
What did everyone have on the "several AIPF you saw? It would make your decision far easier if you remembered.

You're got a FOS image and have a monster. Time to collect. TBH, a 4bet shove will look even bluffier and get you called lighter that a regular raise. Money's going in anyway.
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02-18-2017 , 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by mervinswerved
1/2 home game. Everyone in this hand is fairly deep, and the table in general has seen several big pots AIPF tonight. Also, this hand involves three of the toughest players in our player pool.

Hero ($500): early 30's WG. Perceived as TAG. A little nitty pre for this game, but known to barrel and value bet big.

V1 ($600) 30 year old white guy. Thinking player and very aggressive. Opens light from most positions. He's on my direct right and has folded twice to my 3! tonight.

V2 ($400) 20 year old asian kid. Very splashy LAG.

V3 ($400) 20 year old asian kid. Friends with and backs V2 for 2/5. Plays 5/10 usually when he's at the casino (we're a few hours from nearest card room). Tons of gamble and frustrates a lot of the regulars in this game with his willingness to play for stacks.

V1 opens to $10 UTG
Hero calls. I felt weird raising here, as I've already 3! him twice and got folds. I decided to mix it up here and just call.
V2 calls CO
V3 raises to $50
V1 calls

Hero?

Can I call here, knowing V2 is likely coming along? He can be squeezing with all sorts of hands (I've seen him show up with nearly ATC in spots like this). Should this be a 4-bet?
Hate not 3betting . You already did it twice is the perfect reason to do it again !!!

As played yes I'm raising here absolutely !!! Your opponent likes to play for stacks i think you should click it to like 200 and let him jam his stack in after
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02-18-2017 , 08:15 PM
have to agree with the 3b is the perfect reason too
Is like raising from the BTN and you have aces I like to make it a little bigger because people just think you are FOS, same goes when you keep 3 betting them they just think you are FOS and will start to play back at you
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02-18-2017 , 09:53 PM
I know where you're coming from with not 3betting because I'm the same way lol, you atill should have put the 3bet in though especially if he opens light and especially in this case where he's gonna give you less credit and play back with weaker hands.

As played though, this is probably an unpopular opinion but I'd consider calling the $50 but folding if the action gets heavier. Reason being I don't think QQ is a hand you should be getting it all in with PF given the stack sizes IMO. Althought Id like to know what hands were going AIPF to get a better judgment. If the AI's involve big Aces it's probably +EV as **** to GII

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02-18-2017 , 09:56 PM
just 3bet it, but it worked out well and now you can backraise 4bet with a monster. it will look more like a resteal.
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