Playing 10 handed 1-2-5 nl home game. I have lots of time played with all villains. Hero raises to 30 after 2limps with aa from the button. Loose player in small blind callS as do the two omc limpers. I start the hand with 150 and every villain has me barely covered. Pretty early in the game.
Flop comes q84
Action checks to us and we bet 60
Small blind calls and both other players fold. At this point I put small blind on Queen.
Turn q small blind leads out for 60
Hero??

You had $150 to start the hand, got $30 in pre with 3 calls.

Pot's $120 on the flop and SPR is 1, I'm never folding pretty much ever. I don't particularly like the bet size on the flop.

You should have a plan when you're making the bet. You're saying you put him on a Qx holding but that's just too narrow. You don't know his thinking, maybe he'd jam just about anything on that flop so he's taking your bet as evidence you're scared of the flop with something like 22-JJ or AK.

I'm just making him show it to me, and personally I would've bet smaller or jammed the flop.

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Bigger pre if this is a typical result of raising to $30 over two limps.

I disagree with betting smaller OTF in a 4-way pot. Board is very dry, but we want that value and someone should have a Q.

Turn card sucks, but when we start the hand with only 30BBs and AA, I'm probably never folding, and I'm certainly not doing so for 1/4 pot.

As played, make the crying call given the odds.

Flop - AI w/SPR=1 vs. 3 opponents. Get value vs. QX, which is not folding getting 2-1.

I'd go a little bigger preflop with two limpers -- maybe $35-40 -- but $30 is fine.

I'm jamming our last pot-sized bet on the flop and I'm thrilled about it. Nobody's folding a Q.

As played I probably sigh fold the turn, even though we're getting great odds. He doesn't expect you to fold to a quarter-pot bet, so I think he's almost never bluffing here. I don't think we win even 20% of the time.

I have played extensively with villian who called. He is calling my pre flop raise with any two broadway cards. I figured the only way he could call my flop bet was with a queen. If my thinking is off please enlighten me. I am here to learn!! Also he didn’t jam flop basically jammed turn when second queen appeared. Thanks

No, Fl1870 is saying that if V were in your shoes, he might have jammed flop with most of his range, so V might think that your bet was a scared money bet.

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@everyone ITT: would you call off with KQ on the flop in Villains shoes, facing an allin bet from Hero?
You guys can take "nobody", I'll take the over.

Yeah, yeah, 2+2=/=population, blah blah.

So riddle me this: if getting it in vs Qx is so trivial, then why use a betsizing that targets Qx?
AP, call it off and hope villain has the 8x or 99 we (should've) targetted otf.

I said I disagreed with the advice above mine about betting smaller (if not shoving). I'm not advocating a shove OTF here, as we can easily GII over two streets given the short stacks. I think the flop sizing was fine to target Qx for fat value.

And for myself, I actually would have bet smaller on the flop. I like a small flop bet hoping to maybe get even a weaker holding than Qx to come along.

That fits my overall play though, so I would do the same with bluffs and sets. Board isn't too draw heavy and stacks are low compared to pot. That's my thinking anyway.

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That 1/2 stack bet I just personally don't understand. It's not a line I would take, because to villain we are definitely saying we're committed. If we're going to commit, does it really matter if we put 1/2 in now then jam turn laying 5:1 on the turn? How often is someone going to put 3/4 of their stack in and then fold the 1/4 they have left?

I haven't checked this in solvers or anything but my inclination is if you're folding much at all after putting 3/4 of your stack in the middle you're gonna have a bad time.

The jam to me could be interpreted by some villains as trying to steal it with AK or the like, but my preference would be the small flop bet followed with turn jam.

I feel like this gives villain multiple ways to make mistakes.

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LLSNL Vs usually aren't thinking "if I call here, I'm committed," they're thinking "I can't fold TPGK for only a half-pot bet." It's pretty easy to get them to put their stacks in (especially in short stack games like this) over multiple bets if each one seems like a no-brainer call to them.

I'm not in this spot to begin with, i.e. not calling KQ pre from the SB for 20% effective.

If I were, calling it off.

May I ask why you only have 30 bigs? As played, shove the flop and enjoy the money. Buy in full.

Sure. U can ask me anything. Home game dynamic is very strange. Game operator doesn’t like white chips. He made it 1-2-5 a few months ago. He says it makes for a cleaner game. Most everyone buys in for 1-200 chips. I was probably average stack when hand took place. Later in the game it is common for their to be larger stacks but no one is buying in full. Only 200 at a time. Don’t have bankroll for 2-5 but have convinced myself that since it plays so small that I am playing within roll???!!!

So is it a 3 blind game, or 1/2 blinds with a $5 open?

Concur...I've played 99% of my poker at unraked, social home games...hands are often discussed, and I've never heard people talk about implied odds, or stack size, spr or anything remotely like that. People will call 45ss for half their stack because it's their favorite hand. Or call saying it's only 20.

They almost are never thinking about what might happen on the next street...

1-2 blinds 5 to come in