no doubt

OP has to raise somewhere in this hand. the only place not to do it is the turn

This was some young Euro dude in his mid-late 20's. He wasn't a spewtard degenerate, but he clearly loved action and making plays. Whether he was a winning player or not who the feck knows. I've only ever played with him for 1-2 hours, and I'm a reg at the venue. 2 points to add:

1. He came from a higher game (so may have been messing about at 2/5) or he's some rich kid.
2. His girlfriend was watching him over the shoulder. She was a solid 7/10 and he was pushing a 4/5 - so I guess he's got a lot of money from somewhere.

You're doing it wrong.

this is a good game, hang in there and you'll be stacking rich kids in no time

need about 50BIs to beat this kind of game so I'm having to grind out 1/3 for now

pm me if you want some private hand reviews btw

so he has to be bluffing at least twice for every time we lose? I think this comes down to his raise size pre

and also, if we call and chop, we split the dead money, so we win half of what's in the pot before he shoved, so it's like calling to win 250ish

this is starting to seem more and more like a call

i wanted to call before but now that he has his gf over his shoulder I wanna fold

lol richard parker you seem to rub everyone the wrong way... so i think you're doing it wrong

DUCY?

Lots of results oriented fishiness ITT

AIDS/

River is marginal either way and without actual HH's or frequencies, we cant give you the correct answer.

The street you messed up on is preflop. 3bet this AINEC

Why is 3bet pre that much superior? If V is opening light and decent lag, he is folding most of his dominated hands. Unless we know V to be calling 3 bets light, I do not see AK or any high value hand as clear 3bet. It can be mixed for balancing but not default 3bet.

River was unfortunate and to V our range looks capped. It worked for him. But V is going to value own himself in many spots the way the hand was played.

what do you think is the open range for a this LAG in late position?

how much of that range is dominated by AK?

other than folding out Vs completely dominated hands, what does 3! do?

as far as leading or check/raising the flop, Ed Miller can say it better than i can:
"Lots of poker players, particularly ones who adopt an ABC strategy, make their betting decisions more out of a fear of being drawn out on that anything else. Good LAG players will absolutely destroy you if you center your strategy on trying to prevent them from drawing out on you. They will figure out exactly what you're doing, hang around in hands while the betting is still relatively cheap (compared to the stack sizes), and then put you to tough decisions when inevitable scare cards come
When you're playing against a LAG, getting drawn out on is part of the deal. Instead of trying to prevent yourself from getting drawn out on, focus on the mistakes your LAG opponent is making. A common one is that LAGs will raise preflop with weak hands and then barrel flop, turn, and river with frequencies that are higher than optimal. This works because it's hard to make a good hand in nlh, most opponents won't think clearly about the LAG's hand range, and most players will tip off a LAG early in a hand when barreling is not going to succeed...
Slowplaying has a bad name, but against a LAG it's one of the main tools you have at your disposal."

His opening range is obv wide. When you 3bet and he folds its a fine result. If we just flat were forced to ck/fold alot with what is probably the best hand OR we may make bigger mistakes on later streets peeling the flop light.Your equity edge is not that gigantic preflop where youre "trapping" him and can just blindly ck/continue on any flop. Were oop so picking up the pot pre and/or taking the initiative is valuable. We DONT know he's going to make correct folds preflop so we ALLOW him to make a mistake with a 3bet. By just flatting you essentially let him off the hook.

Having no 3bet range in the BB in this spot isn't a good thing. AK needs to be in this range. If you ppl cant see that I don't know what to tell you.

you can have 3bet range from the hands you cannot call profitably. like suited Ace rag, KT which due to card counting makes it less likely for him to have a monster. Also suited connectors are good.

Yes sure 3 bet AK.. but not auto. I'll do it less than 50% of time against an aggro player with wide range. Then we play depending on board texture. Not like I have good hand, button loose, I all in.

If u didn't believe the turn 6, why believe the river 6 helped him?

Instead of winning the full pot a good % we are only chopping. V's overbet clearly makes me believe at best we are chopping. So, it is not an easy call.

On another runout, V could be value betting a lot of worse hands too.

I am not good enough to play 400bb without read OOP, even if I do have AK.

RP why not just fold every hand pre if were deep and readless? B/c that's the basis of your argument.

"Im afraid of making a mistake while this deep, so let me take a sub-optimal line and 'pot control preflop' with a hand near top of my range and keep the pot small." Correct me if i'm wrong but this is what i'm interpreting this as.

Fwiw if we're readless, so is he. Also, 3betting probably makes the hand easier to play than flatting...that's pretty irrelevant though.

basically what i just read from your post is "i'm afraid to play poker with a LAG oop."

it appears that in your preferred method, you want to pick up an easy pot. in my preferred method, i want his stack. and there's nothing wrong with what your saying, poker can be played many different ways, but against a LAG who views you as tight, playing backwards is going to net you more than playing straight forward

This is way too general and doesnt really apply here.

Wrong. There are many hands I have in my OOP flatting range in this spot. AK is not one of them. Youre missing the point.


Lol. GL getting his stack 400bbs deep in a single raised pot oop

He's got position...

haha, it's funny because you're missing the point but you're kinda clueless to see it.

and for the record AK is in my 3! bb range. but not against this opponent.

So youre saying your 3b range here is 100% bluffs against this opponent?

so fold pre

no, against a LAG, it's going to be the middle and bottom of my overall 3! range. but in the beginning of a session with a LAG who I have little history with (as described about this particular LAG), if i can avoid 3! the top of my range, i will. sometimes you have to 3! to top, like if there are too many callers to a raise and you want to thin to pool. i don't feel this was one of those situations.

by concealing our hand strength, it allows LAGs to do what they does best: barrel his full range

but thats just how i play.

Here is an argument, maybe we balance or calling range?

God this post is just awesome.

Andees you still have a lot to learn. Not saying you are wrong* just that your counters seem a bit off / aren't addressing RP's point.

11t this isn't online 6max. This is live poker. The reason why we c/r this flop with air is obvious to both of us...and for that same reason value hands should take an unbalanced c/c line.

I would c/r this flop if I was playing 1000NL 6 max. Here in the live poker world we are just folding out his double/triple barrel range otf or best case scenario his draw calls flop folds turn which still blows.

Yea bluff catching OOP vs a wide range can be ghey but c/c'ing three streets here on any runout is going to be more profitable than c/r'ing flop in a live poker setting imo.

I AM AN ANALYST. I KNOW THESE THINGS.

*I flat here a lot vs. any lag with a clue, fwiw