Folding AKs to a two-bet pre-flop. - Page 3 - Live Low-stakes No Limit Poker Forum

Unfortunately (or not), live poker is a completely different game that online.
The sample hands for live is too small so a good player has to make the best of it for any given session with the few hands available.
I play live every day for 4 years, and been played for more than 10 for fun and what i consider huge strenght in some players in live poker is the ability to pick good spots.

Fold on this spot is just very important for a poker pro because the outcome can be more negaive than positive: If you are flipping is already a negative situaton IMO.
Losing will mark the whole session, change your table image to a loosing player even if it was just a flip, and the rest of the session will be hard. Maybe you will not have the chance even to play another 5 hands and the table will go death. Poker pro can not hope to build stack and pay rent on flips otherwise you can flip 4 times every round if u want. Live poker pro can find a better spot and let this one go!!!
Live poker unfortunately is not pokerstove, GTO or all the other things that helps understanding the game (witch i belive they are very important BUT away from the table!!!).
I belive in this specific hand what matter most is the HERO perception of the opponent strenght and this is only a LIVE "thing" in this case much more important than pokerstove.

Anyway Hero with the 3rd best hand in poker can call, raise or fold but at the same time he can't call, can't raise and can't fold. All decision are right and all are wrong.
Is just a spot that i want to stay far far away from.....
I had a nightmare one nite and it was exactly that!!!

SORRY TO BE LONG!!!

There is a dynamic with live poker as opposed to online. I put more values on reads and will make moves based off that. Occasionally I have moments of clarity where I can put someone on a hand and have a very high degree of confidence I'm correct.

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01-09-2014 , 01:56 PM

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masaraksh

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 5,250

So even based on results my stance that 4b/calling is the worst holds up.

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01-09-2014 , 02:47 PM

#53

attentionnoone

banned

Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 1,113

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Can this spot be more important to handle beside just cards, GTO and equity calculation?

yeah, most low stakes players are so tight that this can be a fold but if you are totally readless, you can very comfortably 4b/c. I'm not used to playing 80BBs anymore, so I instantly flat at about 200BBs. That's a much more solid play. It's the size of the stack we have that is the most important factor.

Flatting at this stack size is terrible but at 200BBs or so it can be the right play. If you have reads that they are this tight it's a fold but you can 4bet call up to about 100 bigs if my math is correct. don't feel like doing all the math of it but you have pretty much the perfect stack to 4b/c vs any range. Good shortstacking strategy imo

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01-09-2014 , 04:08 PM

#54

Verbgravy

newbie

Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 22

This is a tough spot due to stack sizes. I would prefer a bet/fold line if you were a little deeper, but I can hardly suggest putting in 20 or 30% of your stack and folding. I also think calling off/shoving a 5 bet is terrible at this level. A 1/3 5 bet is pretty much face up AA.

Flatting sucks especially OOP. I think I can find a fold here.

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01-09-2014 , 04:18 PM

#55

AintNoLimit

Coach live/online NLHE

Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 6,399

[QUOTE=Jay S;41707420]Sorry, I don't mean to be a jerk about this, bu Even if V1 doesn't 4bet (which he will with a few of his combos), we're in a bad RIO spot against V2. What exactly do we expect to happen on a K-high or A-high flop?
t... how can anyone possibly look at these ranges:

V1: JJ QQ AKo AKs KK AA
V2: QQ KK AA

and think flatting is a good idea?
A 4b doesn't make sense against V2's range even if we ignore the times V1 has AA/KK. We have blockers, so half of V2's combos are QQ, but a loose passive isn't folding QQ pf to a 4bet anyway.

Sarcastically simple.

Calling when folding is best------is the number one error for 99% of players. Folding AKs and KK is so sacrilegious to many, that they will make up any excuse as to why playing on with the hand is best.

Happens every day.

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01-09-2014 , 04:44 PM

#56

Dominic

Tripod

Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 74,272

If my stack was at least $450 I might consider cold-calling with AKs just for the chance at flopping a FD...but, with only $250, I'm folding AKos here, without much thought. RIO all up in this ****.

Only other option is shoving. And I'm not thrilled with that.