How often do you fold AK pre and is it too nitty. Two times in the past two days I had AK in the SB. Pot was raised then reraised by a tight player. I folded. Both times I was shown QQ, which was my read. I felt flatting would suck as the pot would be large for a drawing hand that I’d have to check fold if I missed and if I 4 bet and he shoves over me, I’m flipping. Too nitty? My folds have been player dependent.

If it's player dependent then stop being results oriented. A week ago I folded to a very large 4 bet from a player that hadn't 3 bet let alone 4. 1 orbit later I 3bet AKss and he opened jammed which was completely different to the thought out bet previously. I sigh called only for him to show me garbage and I scooped.

I also believe AKo and AK suited are completely different hands, which obviously have different playability both in and out of position. There are times to play AK to large 3 and 4 bets, and there are times to let it go. Trust your reads and continue to learn the game.

It is situation and player dependent I fold AK if the pot is raised and reraised more then call or 5 bet. Not only are you rarely way ahead when the pot is reraised but everybody puts you on AK when you flat. If you hit the flop you rarely get more then one more bet out of anybody but can be in a bad situation if you have the second best hand.

AK is a hand where you should be happy to put in the raise or reraise but you don't want to be calling a reraise unless effective is very deep or so short you can shove.

I fold AK to 4bets as standard and sometimes to 3bets. Player dependent of course. A 4bet is usually KK+, friskier players go with KK+/AK and very few are wider than that. I buy in 170bb deep though, so if effective stacks are shorter this changes.

I fold AK pre too often from what I'm gathering. The last time I folded was a multi way 3! pot and I was last to act after the 3! I decided that not as many of my outs were live and I was behind V's range so I folded (after the hand one guy said he folded a weaker Ace so effectively I was right assuming I was behind Villain's pp).

I came across this in the "Not quite thread worthy" thread which is the same question. I found it interesting for HU. Apparently HU I need to be more aggressive with AK pre:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=5576

A multiway 3bet pot is an interesting scenario, the 'standard' play is to ship AK there but it depends. Folding can be good as well. Flatting is usually not the best play.

Last session out a guy who is trying his best (claims to be attempting to supplement his income with poker recently and is currently on like a 20+ session winstreak, ok, whatever) is stuck today and has let his stack dwindle to $80. I think it folds to him in the CO and he $15; he hasn't been raisey at all but I'm assuming his range is non-nit here even though he's shortstacked. I start licking my chops with AKo in the SB when a player who has proven in the past he knows what is going on 3bets to $45 on the Button (we're $350 deep). I figure he can't ever be getting out-of-line against a shortstack who is likely committing and sigh fold.

Shortstack open folds T8o.

3better shows 94soooted.

Gsigh;halfthemtimeIdon'tknowwhatisgoingonG

Yeah, both hands my thinking was either shove or fold. I put the player on QQ+, and decided no need to race for stacks in a cash game when I know I can get it in in better spots, which is the case with these players.

Depends on the type of tight player but if you know the guy's 3-betting range to be extremely narrow, especially if he's positionally aware and acting from EP, then folding is fine IMO. Your almost certainly flipping at best and crushed at worst.

On the other hand, you are blockking AA and KK and if you think he's tight but not squeeky, and a decent player, then a 3-bet from late position, especially if you notice a call in between, might be a squeeze play and it's time to squeeze the squeezer with a 4-bet.

So, fold to a weak-tight 3-bet always, and 4 bet a stronger tight player situationally. The only thing I probably don't see an argument for is calling.

The blinds also make a big difference when looking at this.

At 1/2 opening ranges and 3 betting ranges are tight enough that you can often just chuck AK to a 3 bet. Folding to a 4 bet tends to be automatic unless you think somebody is tilted or otherwise spewing their money.

At 2/5 ranges have opened up and there are more bluffs. Plus more aggressive post flop play means you can make more money. With AK vs JJ on an A93 flop you will generally get at least one bet post flop and often 2.

Can I get directions to these games where you are folding AK to a 3bet?

I am never folding AK for less than 100BB unless he is an absolute NIT and that's very hard to prove.

AK is valuable not just for hitting flops, which it rarely does, but for its ability to get folds from combos that will 3b but won't play for stacks (88-QQ, AQ, even AK).

AP, need stack sizes. Never calling with AKo (unless he is a Maniac) but remember shoving gives you 2 ways to win the pot.

I'll give you an example, I opened AK for 5bb UTG, some dude in CO makes it like 17bb. I tank. He gives me a speech 'Well I know how tight you are and I'm still betting into you, so you can get some idea of what I'm playing'. Seems comfortable. I don't think I can play against his range OOP. I fold and muck (face down ldo), he shows the table KK, I tell him nice hand.

It's not like folding to a 3bet is crazy BTW since a reasonable slice of players only 3bet QQ+/AK.

I hear what you are saying about what their range likely is of a "reasonable slice". Live poker has very low hands/hr and more emotional players than online, so you never have enough of a sample size to know what a V will always do.

Example, play with this sweet old lady at 5/5 for maybe 50hrs or more I labeled a typical tag/nit.

I 3b OTB with QQ, she 4bet jammed me from the HJ for 125BB and I taaaaaank called.

She showed JJ and said she thought I was FOS b/c I was 3betting a lot lately.......

Both hands were against guys I’ve played lots of hands with, know their 3Bet range pretty well. Both showed their hands.

In 2/5 games I generally won't fold AK pre for 100bb unless I have a read on opponent. You will be up against JJ & QQ far too often

I hate folding AK preflop and would only do so against 3 or 4 super rocks at my casino. I'd flat before 3! against TAGs especially with a suited AK which is worth seeing the flop with for certain.

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I have no problem with finding that twice in the last 2 days, that I folded AKo to 3! by a tight player only to find he had QQ. Because, I am going to be OOP & you win less money OOP than you do IP & you lose more money OOP than you do IP.

I'd like directions to your game
A player who can't lay down A high pre we often call ATM machines!