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07-15-2019 , 07:47 AM
Playing a 1/2 game with a very soft table, apart from 2 players in it.

In this hand I have 450 chips and pocket 77's on the btn.
4 players limp, I call and the bb checks.

Flop 78Q rainbow.
Pot: 12.

Action checks to me and I bet 6, bb and MP player call.
BB has 164 in chips.

It's worth noting that the BB (who I've played alot with) said "you're bluffing huh?" and made the call. This usually is a classic tell of strength, and even more so coming from this particular player. At this point I suspect a 2pair hand and planning to value bet him to death.

Turn is an offsuit 5.
Pot 30.

Checks to me and I bet 16, only the bb calls.

River is a Q.
Pot 62.

BB leads out and shoves his remaining stack, which was 140 chips.

Is this an quick call from me? He could definitely have pocket 88's, Q8 or even Q5 in his range from the bb. Could also have pocket 55's. I don't think this player overvalues trips to this extent. So I put him on either a full house (weaker/stronger) or a crazy bluff.

What do you think?
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07-15-2019 , 08:38 AM
Very easy call. I'm never folding a full house here, ever. He has so much Qx in his range + busted straight draws.

By the way, I'd go bigger on flop and turn.
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07-15-2019 , 08:55 AM
OP: have you been raising a lot and/or raising widely on the BTN in this session? How does V perceive your range do you think? Thanks!
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07-15-2019 , 09:15 AM
Raise pre, more flop, more turn, call river
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07-15-2019 , 11:21 AM
Of course you call here.
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07-15-2019 , 11:30 AM
Snap call, high five dealer.

Also, bet (way) more on the flop and turn.
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07-15-2019 , 12:26 PM
OP... here's how you decide if you should call.

OTR, the pot is $62. V shoves for $140 more. So the pot to you is $202 and its $140 to call.

This means the odds you are being offered is 202:140 or 1.44:1. In terms of equity, you have about 41% equity in the pot. This means, if you call, and you win just 41% of the time, you are break-even in this spot.

So you have to consider what V's total range is when he takes this line (considering the entire hand).

You have to have the better hand at least 41% of the time or more, for this to be a call.

So think on it a bit, then post what you think V's realistic range is, including how frequently he bluffs.

So for example, you might say that 50% of the time he has only 88 and 50% of the time he has some hand that he's bluffing with. If this is the case, you win 50% of the time. Since your break-even equity requires you to win at least 41% of the time for a call to be correct, you can call.

However, lets say for example you think that 90% of the time he has 88 and only 10 % of the time might he have some crazy bluff. In this case, a call would not be correct.
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07-15-2019 , 02:25 PM
Was in a similar spot to this one. Guy had AQ and my house was good.

The thinking of "he can't overvalue trips like that" is MUBSY thinking. He absolutely can, depending on what he puts you on. Especially with the way the pre played, he can absolutely have weak queens that aren't boats, and if he got the BB special where he got out flopped, and hit a 5 outer on the river, it's a cooler. I am giving him every Queen in the deck, and a few bluffs as well. He never has QQ here, and I would think he doesn't have 88 here, but people do weird ****.
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07-16-2019 , 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Spanishmoon
OP: have you been raising a lot and/or raising widely on the BTN in this session? How does V perceive your range do you think? Thanks!
I was perceived as a tag player. He most certainly put me on a strong hand, even a Q. That's why I folded that hand.

I never folded a full house before, but I've never seen this player overbet like this before.

We've played plenty of times before, I felt as he's hoping I have a Q and call the overshove.

Anyways, I folded face up. He never showed his cards but seemed pretty impressed, I hope that was correct.
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07-16-2019 , 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by amirsal
I was perceived as a tag player. He most certainly put me on a strong hand, even a Q. That's why I folded that hand.

I never folded a full house before, but I've never seen this player overbet like this before.

We've played plenty of times before, I felt as he's hoping I have a Q and call the overshove.

Anyways, I folded face up. He never showed his cards but seemed pretty impressed, I hope that was correct.

What, no. Are you joking?

You just showed everyone you will fold the 2nd 3rd nuts to an overbet. That table is going to screw with you all nought.
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07-16-2019 , 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Nippleman
What, no. Are you joking?

You just showed everyone you will fold the 2nd 3rd nuts to an overbet. That table is going to screw with you all nought.
It might have been a good laydown, although I couldn't have made it against this guy.

But you can never show like that. I made that mistake a few years ago and the regs bullied me for months.
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07-16-2019 , 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Spanishmoon
It might have been a good laydown, although I couldn't have made it against this guy.

But you can never show like that. I made that mistake a few years ago and the regs bullied me for months.
Even if it was "results oriented correct", it was a bad laydown. you can't fold this against a guy who can quite literally have any two cards in the deck. This guy is going to think Q2 is the nuts here.
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