Against active player i stacked off 200bb pre... I had KK vs AA... Should i have folded to the 4 bet shove?

200bb effective? Reads on villain, beyond 'active'? Position and action?

no - snap call

There certainly excist a stacksize where we should consider getting away from KK: and i would say at 200 BB we are starting to get close to that stackdepth.

That being said i dont know if that is the case in this particular hand, do determine that we need alot more info on villain, game dynamics and so on.

Its a lack of seriousness when Richie4444 advice you to snap call without any further information.

What was the betting? Assuming this is 1/2. He raised to 8, you 3bet to 25 and he shoved 375 more??? I think you can certainly find a fold here. Only defending AA vs. this move should be pretty profitable. Without any reads I think you have to assign KK+ here.

Theres a brags, beats, and variance sub for this, if not, we could really use some more info on the bet sizing pre and a little more on your read on our V.

OMG. Yesterday here many wanted to fold AK, today we are at KK. Wonder where it stops, maybe we will fold AA cos stack is deep and set is bitch.

What's your default range for a villain who shoves 196bbs into a 15-16bb pot?

If the action went something like 10, 30, all in for something like 360, there are times in your average LV 1-2 games against your typical opponent that this is a trivial fold. It's not that hard really, just look at the guy and ask yourself if he could make this move with AK or QQ and proceed from there.

Sometimes at the Orleans, South Point, or Venetian I would rather take two cards out of the muck than stack off with KK here. On the other hand, at 1 a.m. at the Bellagio, Aria, or PH it is a fist pump call. If you call yourself a NL player you should be able to tell the situation your in.

For all you young guys who think I am being tight and exploitable, your right, I will happily let you lay 12-1 that I don't have AA, or wont call with anything else. Congratulations, you get my 30 bucks, enjoy your 2 pieces of pizza and a coke, and we can play the next hand now.

Depends. Positions? Reads? History? Bet sizes?

He was playing about 50-60% of hands not always passive not always aggressive... he had already had AA 5 times in the night and that is the biggest reason I called... If I would have been able to have the discipline to think more and more about the hand I would have folded... I was Button he was UTG and limped 3 limpers at 1-3 put the pot at 13 so I made it 20... He min raised to 40... I raised to 120 he shoved and I called

Him having AA 5 times previously in the night is about as relevant as what your next door neighbor's dog was doing earlier in the morning.

The first two raises were fine. I probably call most of the time given it is $280 to win $530+$280.

Edit: disregard the last sentence.

Oops, this is 1/3, not 1/2. Makes the call a bit more of a crying call. Maybe even a fold if we had actually been paying attention to how the Villain plays his hands.

So he 5bet shoved?

This is a huge leak. You need to understand basic probability theory. The cards your receive are independent random variables (look it up on Wikipedia if you don't know what this means), i.e. the cards you receive are independent of the cards you received before. If you're not 100% sure of this, you need to stop playing now.

Its really up to you to determine his 4b shoving range particularly when you're holding two kings, if it's realistically just KK+ then folding is fine for 200bb... If there's any meta/gameflow at work in your favor then Obv call it off.

The way hero describes action is that V has 5bet shoved. This is AA everytime unless V is a drunk spazoid, yes we've invested $120, but I'm saving my $480 behind and moving on

I don't think I have ever seen a 5 bet shove for this many bb's in a live low limit cash game that wasn't aces. Like in what is it now, 13 years. I play a lot of limit with a 4 bet cap though.

You need to read the posting rules in the stickies.

In fact I suggest you read every thread in the stickies.

+infinity

Until you asked, I didn't have one, but it's kings and aces, lol.