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Fold full house vs river shove? Fold full house vs river shove?

01-16-2017 , 02:58 AM
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Main villain is MP3, with $540, and I cover. Other villain is BB with $500

A few hands earlier she over-limped AK in MP, and CR an Axx flop multi-way vs a single bet. The bettor called, and it was checked down on turn and river bricks and she took it down, out-kicking the other player's Ace.

I've only played 1 orbit at this table and had won a 160bb pot the previous hand with KK in a 3B-pot vs an opponent who called a turn shove with the NFD and missed.

Folds to Hero who opens to $20 in MP2 with 66, MP3 calls, SB and BB call.

Flop: ATT (pot $80)
Checks through

Turn: 6 (pot $80)
SB checks, BB bets $40, Hero calls, MP3 calls, SB folds

River: 9 (pot $200)
BB bets $80, Hero raises to $250, MP3 shoves all in. BB thinks for a good 15 seconds, then reluctantly folds.

Pot is $780 and it's $230 for Hero to call

Is she the type of player that would shove a flush in this spot? I honestly didn't know at the time. Most players in this particular room are weak tight and I had seen her playing here on a few previous occasions...

Any comments regarding how I played the hand on all streets are welcome.
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01-16-2017 , 03:08 AM
Well, if she's smart enough to realize that top pair, with AK, can be beat & is too passive to bet it post-flop on a non-threatening board, why would she go all-in here? Aggression was shown on both the Flop, Turn & River.

Zeebo's Theorem: This theorem states that no player is able to fold a full house, regardless of the size of the bet or the strength of the full house. This is quite possibly the most reliable out of all the popular poker theorems today.
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01-16-2017 , 04:39 AM
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Originally Posted by ZuneIt
Well, if she's smart enough to realize that top pair, with AK, can be beat & is too passive to bet it post-flop on a non-threatening board
She was smart enough to 3bet TPTK as a semi-bluff, so she's not that smart. To much Tx in range to fold imo.
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01-16-2017 , 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by QuantumSurfer
She was smart enough to 3bet TPTK as a semi-bluff, so she's not that smart. To much Tx in range to fold imo.
Change Tx to A10
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01-16-2017 , 11:10 AM
This is a gross spot, but villain shows up with a boat like 9/10. There's no way she's shoving a flush here. You and bb look so strong, so she must be extremely strong.

What was the timing on her river shove?
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01-16-2017 , 11:11 AM
This would be an easy fold if you were deeper and the shove were bigger, I think. It is only hard to fold because we've put in half our stack and are now getting slightly better than 3:1. I still think it's a fold though. A passive player isn't bluffing and isn't overvaluing worse very often.
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01-16-2017 , 11:19 AM
AT (6 combos) and T9 (6 combos) make so much sense here, even though we beat all other TX (KT, QT, JT, 24 combos). There's also 6 combos of 99 that may have peeled the turn. With the flush draw out there, I just don't see V cold 3bet shoving the river over us with trips when BB is still left to act. I'd also expect any TX type of hand to bet the flop given 2 spades and broadway draws out there.

We're getting a really sick price of around 3:1 but I think this is a puke fold. V is repping a nutted range and we have the nut low FH.

Last edited by LittlePud; 01-16-2017 at 11:48 AM.
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01-16-2017 , 04:12 PM
They have done absolutely everything in the hand to look as strong as possible so despite getting 3:1 I think this is a cry fold. They would likely play A10 EXACTLY like this, and trips is just never making this move.

If she's a bad player then there's MAYBE some combos of spades that we beat, but with such strong river action she would be massively over-repping her hand. This, along with her tight image, makes this a disgustingly difficult fold I think
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01-16-2017 , 04:25 PM
I'm discounting flushes a lot given the ace is on the board. I don't think even a nutted flush like KQSs is shipping the river. Hell, I'd expect KQss to raise the turn.
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01-16-2017 , 05:07 PM
Pretty easy fold on the river. You have the worst underfull.

As for the rest of the hand, RAISE THE TURN!!! Get value from flushes, Tx, Ax!
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