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Fold AA on flop? Fold AA on flop?

04-08-2016 , 04:02 AM
2/2...Villain in this hand is tight ABC player, just playing his hand..he brought along an ipad and is playing OFC pineapple with it..the typical multi-tasking dude...(with earpiece on)

effstack:$350 So i open to 8 in mp, Villain calls on BTN, BB calls

Flop: J78r, BB checks, i bet 20 into 26, V raises to 60, BB folded, i call

Turn: 3, check to V who bets 80 into 146, i call

River: 2, check, V shoves for 181 more, i folded..

Now..i believe turn is a clear fold here, i made a terrible call..Turn and river were actually super brick but yet against his action i still had to fold..the only hand i beat is AJ, which i have 2 blockers, and i highly doubt he's taking this line with just AJ

Given the fact that turn is a sure fold(correct me if i'm wrong), would it be terrible to just give up on the flop.
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04-08-2016 , 07:59 AM
Raise bigger pre.

Against tight V I probably fold the flop unless he likes to stab, but from that description it doesn't sound like it, so I would be happy to fold it here and wait for a better spot.
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04-08-2016 , 01:47 PM
When this type of V raises the flop, his range is likely sets and two pairs. It's tough to fold this flop with AA, but unless you've seen him get out of line postflop, folding is likely correct.
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04-08-2016 , 01:50 PM
OP - which hand is V most likely to have when he raises that flop:

88
77
JJ
87
J8
J7
AJ
QQ
KK
AA
T9
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04-09-2016 , 03:35 AM
all sets and T9
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04-09-2016 , 04:57 AM
I second raising bigger pre. At least $10.

And I'd probably also fold to the flop raise by a tight ABC player with an iPad (meaning he's only going to get involved in hands where he has the goods and is not going to be making eloborate plays or bluffs). Plus this flop hits his PFR calling range hard and we don't have a plan for the turn short of hitting a 2-outer.

If we call the raise, we should fold turn when he barrels again on a brick. But if we call turn then we should be planning to call river. Calling turn to fold river is burning money.
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04-09-2016 , 08:44 AM
1. Folding flop is NOT an option as others are suggesting.

2. Raise more pre.

3. If you were that afraid he has a monster, fold turn.
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04-09-2016 , 09:02 AM
SPR 24, don't go broke with 1 pair. Probably folding turn.
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04-09-2016 , 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by trucdouf
3. If you were that afraid he has a monster, fold turn.
So what, you're calling this down?

My though process when facing heat on the flop is usually:

1. Is he likely to check the turn if I call?
2. Do many turn cards improve my hand?
3. Am I ready to call this off unimproved?

If the answer to all 3 is no, then it seems to make sense to fold early rather than wait for nothing to change other than the amount of money I've put in the pot.
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04-09-2016 , 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by whysocold
all sets and T9
then it is an obvious fold and you should only post the hand up to the point he raises and provide your read to see if people agree with your range and sizings.

btw - does anyone else think Hero should try to move to V's left. I'd rather him expose his strength before I take action than after, especially if he has any bluffs included.
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04-09-2016 , 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Koss
So what, you're calling this down?

My though process when facing heat on the flop is usually:

1. Is he likely to check the turn if I call?
2. Do many turn cards improve my hand?
3. Am I ready to call this off unimproved?

If the answer to all 3 is no, then it seems to make sense to fold early rather than wait for nothing to change other than the amount of money I've put in the pot.
No, as played I'm folding turn (I would take the same line until the turn).

I'm just not folding the flop because my image is gonna take a much bigger hit than my stack.
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04-10-2016 , 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by trucdouf
No, as played I'm folding turn (I would take the same line until the turn).

I'm just not folding the flop because my image is gonna take a much bigger hit than my stack.
How is your image going to take a hit? No one knows you folded AA, if they ask you just tell them you had AK. Either way, if V's range for raising flop is just 2p+, then folding is going to be correct regardless of image concerns.
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04-10-2016 , 05:12 PM
trivial fold on the flop
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04-12-2016 , 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by RAHZero
How is your image going to take a hit? No one knows you folded AA, if they ask you just tell them you had AK. Either way, if V's range for raising flop is just 2p+, then folding is going to be correct regardless of image concerns.
You're (unintentionally) suggesting the only hands that affect image, are hands where we show. (Which is wrong.)

We show that:
1. We are comfortable raising (weak) PF
2. We will cbet dry boards/after raising PF
3. We will fold to flop aggression, even though we showed aggression up to the point of folding

If these three items don't make it in your player notes (whether watching, V1, or Hero) you need to seriously reevaluate.

And if you think no one notices this kind of stuff or will exploit you once you show this habit: have fun becoming an easily exploitable target, regardless of how good you might be.

For example: I see this and make a note. I am bluffing you 100% of the time I don't connect.
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