This was seriously my first hand back in the game in two years.

I sit down and wait for the button to pass me and look down at AhAd on the CO
BTN (~$75) Straddle was on
SB (~$30) called
BB (~$500) called
HERO (~300) in CO raised to $25
all three players call and we go to a flop of
Tc 6h 3h
SB bets $10
BB calls
I raise to $25
BTN calls
SB calls for the rest of his short stack
BB 3bets to $125

whats the play?

I assume those are results in the spoiler, haven't looked, posting results is discouraged (even spoilered).

Your flop raise is extremely small. SB's bet of $10 into a pot of $100 is so small relative to the pot that I'd treat it as a check, so I'd do what I'd normally do into a $120 pot in this spot, which is make it $80.

LLSNL players frequently tell you what they want you to do with their sizing. That raise from BB is a committal raise, there's no way he is folding if you jam. If he had a draw, he'd just shove. Not shoving is because he doesn't want you to fold. Therefore, you should.

Generally in LLSNL, if people raise postflop (and since "raise" gets misused so much these days I'll clarify that I mean if someone else bets and then they raise) the default position is that they have two pair or better. You then try to come up with reasons they might have something else, and on this hand there are none. Since it's super exploitable to just fold everything anytime someone raises, you have to be careful with this, but that's the basic idea.

+1 to most of what Chris said. I don’t think we can read too too much into villain’s raise sizing though but I could be wrong.

Your raise sizing makes it a bit of a weirder spot. I would never min raise here so I don’t have a feel as to how people would react. I still think that the default position of raises mean two pair or better is true here. We need to find some reasons to be able to call here. We have the Ah so we block the NFD so that’s a strong reason to fold. The only reason I can think of to call is the non-heart is also top pair so if someone flops top pair and a FD they might take this line. That being said, against a range of top pair+FD and sets we aren’t doing too well.

If you have a reason to suspect V is capable or aggressive I’m fine with getting it in here but in general against the 1/2 population I would fold.

More pre. Assuming the straddle is ~$5, there's already $15 in the pot by the time it gets to you. Nobody is folding to $25 there, I'd go $30 minimum.

OTF, you should treat the lol $10 like a check and raise to ~70-80. $25 is atrocious sizing there.

BB's line is a little weird (flatting, then back-raising) but it makes more sense if *he* was treating the $10 like a check as well.

He *could* have a flush draw here (and his raise to $125 is clearly committing himself to the pot), but I think he's more likely to just shove with that. Having the Ah blocks a lot of his FDs so I think this is a fold.

Definitely disagree, I think sizing is an underrated method of hand reading at LLSNL. Here this guy is raising 100 more into a 200 pot with 3 opponents in the pot, with 150 effective behind. To me that's obviously carefully constructed to be called.

That would be like 3X the pot if he shoved, I think he could still have draws here, the board is semi connected and wet

W no info on V at all it makes it difficult to decide how value heavy his range is here but i wouldn't just rule out draws

2 people called your raise and 1 person back raised. At LLSNL one of them will show up with a set most of the time,, especially as they all called your pre-flop raise. Fold

No, it'd be 250 more effective into 200. Instead he made it 100 more into 200 leaving 150 effective behind with a pot that will be 400 OTR. This is a milking job.

Your 25 raise on flop is way too small. Once you get jammed on like this, without a specific read on the player, you’ve got to go with population tendencies and fold this. That’s one of the great advantages of playing 1-2....you can make super exploitive folds like this, which will make you a lot of money in the long run.


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I'd also like to know what the straddle amount is at this one. I was guessing 6. With 18 in the pot and several to act after you it does seem to small.

Yeah the straddle was $6. Looking back on this hand now I totally underbet it pre and absolutely should have found the fold when I was 3bet on the flop.

Being that it was my first hand back in two years and I had Aces, the adrenaline was pumping and I don’t remember even having the cognitive ability to think clearly.

The table was also short handed when I sat down and totally had a weird, stoic vibe. I can’t stand quiet tables, I remember the anti social types being one of the main reasons I stopped playing years ago, that and have a kid.


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Sample size issues but I tend to fold AA to this sort of action multiway OTF and I think of about 5 such occasions I was ahead once. If I’d gone with my toppest overpair, I’d be about 500bb worse off than I currently am.

Folding anytime they get raised postflop would probably be an improvement on existing strategy for like 90% of LLSNL players (in the general player pool, not 2+2ers).

Bigger pre and I’m committed on this board post flop