1/3 game. Been at the table for a couple of hours.

H: UTG +1 $325
V1: BB $300 (middle age white guy who looks "serious and focused", but not much info as he has only been at the table for about 15 minutes)
V2: BTN $175 (~40 woman who is extremely LP. Huge variance over the hour she has been at the table)

I limp with 6/6 and it folds around to V2
V2 limps.
V1: raises to $10.
H: call
V2: call
Pot: $31

Flop is J/J/4r.
V1: checks
H: Bets $20
V2: Fold
V1: raise to $100
Pot: $151
H:?

Line Check: My thought was that it was fairly obvious he had Q/Q+ or possibly 10/10. I suppose it was possible he had a J but he probably just flats in this spot if he does. I suppose I could call and then jam on any turn, or fold if he goes all-in, but this seems like the weakest play (although probably what I would do if I had a J). I could raise, but a raise would probably have to be a push considering stack sizes, and would a 1/3 player even fold Q/Q+ in this spot? Obviously a J snap calls.

My Conclusion at the time: call is probably weakest line as will likely be facing an all-in bet on turn, raise/jam is probably unsuccessful, fold was correct option.

As I'm writing this I'm starting to think that maybe a flat would have been a decent option as he might fear the J and check the turn. Then maybe a jam bet works (but obviously my cards don't matter that much at that point).

Thoughts?

I'm cool with preflop. It's only for 3% of our stack and we'll be in position on a raiser who raised out-of-the-blinds (so hopefully he has the stronger end of his range which we can win a lot of money off of is we bink a set).

I'm either/or on betting the flop. If we think there is a decent chance BB actually missed and is simply checking, then I'm fine with taking a stabbing bet with what could be the best (but vulnerable) hand, but I'd bet no more than 1/2 PSB. If BB is trickier / pot controls, I might just take a free card and evaluate the turn action.

Trivial fold to the check/raise. Typically don't try to make plays that are attempting to get players to fold overpairs unless the situation is exactly correct (our image, their image, the board runout tells a credible story, they haven't put in enough chips to commit, etc.).

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Pre is fine to me. I probably check flop with my position. Fold to the check/raise. A shove now might work, but I highly doubt it. I don't think he's folding ever.

What is your reasoning for checking the flop? This seems like a good spot to stab with my hand that doesn't want to let someone catch a cheap pair on the turn. I should mention that I wasn't concerned about the BTN as she already looked like she wanted to fold before I bet. She called a lot but she also had a lot of tells.

Betting flop is OK, as is checking. If you're ahead, Vs only have 6 outs so checking can't be so bad.

As played, insta-fold to the check raise. You're beating no value hands here, and you're getting a bad price to bluff-catch, especially because it's very likely that stacks are going in on the turn if you just flat.

If you know BTN is going to fold, betting flop is OK, but getting raised on this flop sucks, as does getting flatted Tough to continue with these stack sizes regardless of what happens unless you know V will fold an over-pair.

I'll take my free card.

Well if she gives off a lot of tells, flop is a check.

If she doesn't it's a bet.

It really is opponent dependent.

Is he just playing ABC face up, raising small preflop cuz he has a speculative hand that he's juicing to build a pot if he hits, and then check/folding if he doesn't? If so, betting is fine.

Or is he slightly more advanced? If he's slightly more advanced, it's actually a bit concerning that he's checked the flop, because most slightly more advanced players auto cbet the flop when they whiff HU (although not necessarily 3ways), so we should actually be a little concerned when they don't cbet (which is indicating a hand that is willing to continue). For example, if for some reason I lol'ed raised AA to $10 preflop, I would probably be checking this flop a decent amount of the time unless I'm up against really bad calling stations.

Gitisopponentdependent,imoG

He raised pre-flop out of the blinds, it's naturally a snug range. You can play his range super easy with a check.

The issue is the BTN, however, we have a read on her tells, so it's now a super easy check.

Betting is for the fish.

Hmmm. You could also just fold.

B/f the flop looks good, would go smaller as we can generally accomplish the same thing for at least a few $ less

Seems fine, folding to c/r.

Yea I'm not sure if there is really an alternative here. Just about all 1/3 players will have an overpair with that line at least 90 percent of the time after they raise out of the blinds. I'm fine with betting the flop to double check but they just aren't making that raise enough of the time without the over pair to assume otherwise once they make it. Then trying to get people (especially 1/3 players) off an overpair on that board isn't near worth it I don't think.

I also agree you could go down a bit on the flop bet and find out the same information.

My decision during the hand was to fold the flop. After thinking about it more I thought I made the wrong decision because I thought a flat to represent the J or a big bet would get him off his over pair. But, I realize that would only be possible if it wasn't a $1/3 game and/or we were a lot deeper. $1/3 players don't lay down over PPs enough for this play to have +EV.

You're also right, he has a high PP or A/Q, A/K a high percentage of the time he raises pre from the BB - a $15 bet probably tells me the same information a $20 bet would have. Could have save a nickel in this spot.

easy fold for me there