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02-15-2020 , 01:26 PM
1-3, uncapped.

I struggle with my thinking on this hand, but want to know if I should just brush it off.

Seat 3 (Villain) has $13,000 in chips. He goes to the river every hand and I’ve only seen him show one hand, a J3 for two pair.

OTTH

He raised 35, 2 callers, and I call on the button with $600 and 6c3c.

Flop is 9c45c. V bets $100. I call. Pot is $344.

Turn is 2, so I make my straight. Villain checks, I bet $200. V calls.

River is 7c, giving me a flush. V bets $50. I raise $200 for value, he moves all in. I call. And he flips over AcKc for a flush over flush.

Are we ever folding here? Or was this just a mistake to play pre?
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02-15-2020 , 02:20 PM
Fold pf.

Based on your read that he always goes to the river, but then folds most of the time, you should be very scared when he makes a suck bet, then puts everything in on the 3 bet.
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02-15-2020 , 03:39 PM
I hate to say it but fold pre.

He's a potential maniac, and 63s is not a hand I want to be calling 12x raises with unless I have very specific reads.

Edit:

As played, you should not be raising the river for value. You are turning your hand into a bluff. Your goal would have been to see a showdown without putting much more money in.

Put another way, what takes this line: PFR, b 2/3PSB into 3 people, x/c 2/3PSB , b/r AI? A total bluff or a better flush.

Folding pre is preferred, but as played the river should always be a call and mostly a check behind.

Last edited by trucdouf; 02-15-2020 at 03:45 PM.
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02-15-2020 , 03:39 PM
Not a fan of calling the raise pre. You're putting in 6% of your stack with a weak hand against 3 opponents.

By the river card, you already have more than 1/2 of your stack in the pot, with only about $265 behind. Not sure why you only bet $150 more. Either call or put it all in. But what Venice said, when this specific V makes a small suck bet and then shoves it in, he almost certainly has your 7 high flush beat.
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02-15-2020 , 03:44 PM
See earlier post
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02-15-2020 , 04:30 PM
Fold preflop, you don't have deep enough effective for 63s. When you do get to the flop shove over his bet. It's obvious what your doing but you have a very strong draw.

He isn't going to fold AcKc but running into 2 over cards and a better flush draw is just bad luck. You are ahead on equity against his range as a whole. He has a lot of over pairs that call with less then 50% equity and might call with AKo and other hands you are well ahead of.
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02-18-2020 , 01:34 PM
I'd fold preflop. It is just for 5% of our stack and we're in position, but this hand has so much RIO against everyone else (and sometimes him) that it's probably not worth looking to play just to flop gin just against him.

Does he bomb the pot for large bets into 3 opponents with air too? If so, I'd shove the flop as we should have huge FE to go with our good hand equity. If not, then I'd more assume our FE is much more limited and am cooler with just calling.

Against someone who is always going to the river and at the very least looks to have a big pair here, I'd probably bet a lot more on the turn for value.

Next time don't show results as it will taint responses. I've lost track of pot size but the river bet does look like a blocking bet with a showdownable hand looking to set his price, so I don't think I mind the shove against this guy. ETA: I actually thought our raise was a shove (we only have a 1/3 PSB left on the river), but it looks like we've left $65 back for some reason; not sure we should be folding for that in a $1200 pot in spite of the strength of the shove at this point.

GRIOareathing,imoG
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