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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
With the loose gambool guy in the BB I don't think there is anything wrong with open limping this hand, but opening is fine too (especially with non short stacks) and might even be better if we can isolate him (although isolating is *hard*, imo). Too bad the Button came along.
I'm either/or on the flop. If I'm cbetting (which I'm fine with) I'm definitely choosing the smaller sizing (as mostly the size of the bet has no effect on whether anyone continues or not so long as it is "reasonable"). I don't hate checking either, although betting does give us a better chance at setting the bet size and sometimes we take down the pot with T high.
Against two opponents and one of those guys being a loose guy who is unlikely to fold, I think I mostly check the turn. We might not have much FE at this point plus it sucks to get raised. Thankfully the raise size was horrendous and we're easily getting the odds to simply call and try to hit. I'd never try to get fancy here against a guy that ain't getting out-of-line postflop.
On the river with < PSB left I'd jam any non-pairing draw that hits (although if he mostly has sets here there is likely some argument for check/jamming, especially the more disguised OESD outs). I like the idea of bluffing the spade draw, but I don't think there is any reason to jam; I'd do like a 1/2 PSB bet which should get the job done enough to be profitable (although, having said that, it does kinda look like a blocking bet with an overpair, so perhaps we get looked up more often than we'd like).
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Against a looser or more aggressive V, I'd probably just limp behind here but this guy is the type who actually is fairly tight with his button defense range.
OTT, $60 is actually something of a blocker bet. If I checked to V, I expect him to bet closer to $80-100 with most of his flop-calling range. Plus, sometime I get spades to fold here (he doesn't chase draws too often).
Why bother with the risk of V somehow checking through the river when I expect he's always looking up a <PSB when the most obvious draw hits. I could see the argument if we were deeper, but I don't think I gain any additional value from checking—any hand which is strong enough to bet the river itself probably feels compelled to call a river donk.
I doubt we have any FE with anything less than a jam. This V is definitely the type to at least be thinking about pot odds and 1/2 PSB offers way too good of odds if we're going to bluff at all.