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Old 11-08-2018, 02:19 PM   #1
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Flopping TP vs LAG 1/2 NL

V: loose player , plays pretty aggressive relative to the table, we saw him fire some big bluffs on the river with nothing. 220 effective stacks


V opens in LP to 11; I flat call on his left with A3s;


3 way to a flop of A4X ; checked to me and I bet 15 into 34;


I get min-raised by V here; Tough to range him at this point? I'm thinking a lot of stronger AX, some sets, and some FD's even tho I feel like he would just call with a FD; I have TAG image at this point;


I flat call and the turn: 2

He checks again, I'm happy to take a free card here, no reason to bet imo


R: 5

He fires out 100 pretty quickly into roughly 94;


How does my line look here? would you call this River?


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Old 11-08-2018, 02:45 PM   #2
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Re: Flopping TP vs LAG 1/2 NL

that is one muddled and unorganized HH.

so you rivered the wheel with A3 V donks on 100 on the river while the flush got there on the turn.

So is your V a good LAG or bad LAG?

bad ones fire here on the river when they don't have it. Good ones do.
Considering that he is overbetting the pot and a one liner got there on the river, that sizing one the river looks more bluffy than valuey.

call.
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Old 11-08-2018, 03:10 PM   #3
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I call but expect to be up against a flush alot and in all likelyhood he raised OTF with a pair+fd or some gutshot/sd + fd.

His line for flush makes sense but against described villain you have to call since he can take this line with nothing as well as seen previously.
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Old 11-08-2018, 04:41 PM   #4
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Re: Flopping TP vs LAG 1/2 NL

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that is one muddled and unorganized HH.

so you rivered the wheel with A3 V donks on 100 on the river while the flush got there on the turn.

So is your V a good LAG or bad LAG?

bad ones fire here on the river when they don't have it. Good ones do.
Considering that he is overbetting the pot and a one liner got there on the river, that sizing one the river looks more bluffy than valuey.

call.
yea kinda threw this one up there pretty quickly , V check-raised me on the flop, turn went check/check , and then he bet a little over pot OTR;

bad LAG
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Old 11-08-2018, 07:49 PM   #5
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Re: Flopping TP vs LAG 1/2 NL

HH is a bit of a mess but...

villain c/r flop on flush draw board

checks turn

pots river

I mean...vs a lot of villains you should be considering raising we're obviously not folding
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Old 11-09-2018, 02:45 AM   #6
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Re: Flopping TP vs LAG 1/2 NL

Is our hand As3s? If not, what is our exact hand? Can't give advice on any street without this.
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Old 11-09-2018, 10:29 AM   #7
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Re: Flopping TP vs LAG 1/2 NL

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Old 11-09-2018, 10:34 AM   #8
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Re: Flopping TP vs LAG 1/2 NL

Check flop
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Old 11-09-2018, 10:37 AM   #9
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Re: Flopping TP vs LAG 1/2 NL

why check flop?
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Old 11-09-2018, 11:10 AM   #10
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Re: Flopping TP vs LAG 1/2 NL

Ax that continues has you outkicked. You're in quite bad shape against that. You also can't stand heat from a c/r semi bluff and will wind up folding the best hand. The pot size gets too out of control if you bet and get raised. Your notes on V say he is agro and bluffy, and your hand can't stand that kind of action.
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Old 11-09-2018, 11:12 AM   #11
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Re: Flopping TP vs LAG 1/2 NL

Also you say in the OP that V is agro and fires off with nothing, but you also expect him to passively c/c out of position with a flush draw. I expect a loose aggressive player to dislike playing a flush draw so passively.
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Old 11-09-2018, 11:21 AM   #12
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Re: Flopping TP vs LAG 1/2 NL

Yea he could have FD's a decent % of the time; Based on his sizing on the flop I put him on stronger AX; bc he min-raised me ; I would think he would 3X my bet with a FD

I think the flop is kinda close bc I block all AX combos and I think my hand is ahead of his opening range considering the AX combos that I block; when he min-raises im not really doing too well against his range, but such a good price
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Old 11-09-2018, 12:00 PM   #13
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Flop isn't close, it doesn't matter that you block Ax because the times he has it you're way behind and when he doesn't he just folds very correctly or bluffs you. The only situation you are somewhat making money is if he has a flush draw and calls, then checks the turn. In that situation you probably check behind, and he gets to realize his equity with the fd (which then justifies his flop call in the first place since he had ~35% equity), so you don't actually make money charging his fd in the first place.

I think your thought process is confusing a lot of NLHE concepts to fit what you want to happen. Blocking Ax, ahead of his range right now, getting a good price. The operative concept here is you aren't getting value from worse with the flop bet.
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Old 11-09-2018, 02:44 PM   #14
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Re: Flopping TP vs LAG 1/2 NL

My initial thought was check flop but I changed my mind. I think this is a bet for value. We generally have the best hand and there are a lot of draws on this wet board that can call us especially at a 1/2 table and even a big pocket pair might call us because we could also be betting our flush draw here or be perceived to have air here.

The rest of the hand feels very button clicky by villain so I call. He could have a set and he made a terrible bet on the river. He could have a flush and he made a bad min-raise on the flop. Or he could have something weird like KK (hopefully with a spade at least) that made a stupid min-raise on the flop and is now trying to bluff an Ace off the hand.
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Old 11-09-2018, 03:08 PM   #15
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Re: Flopping TP vs LAG 1/2 NL

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Flop isn't close, it doesn't matter that you block Ax because the times he has it you're way behind and when he doesn't he just folds very correctly or bluffs you. The only situation you are somewhat making money is if he has a flush draw and calls, then checks the turn. In that situation you probably check behind, and he gets to realize his equity with the fd (which then justifies his flop call in the first place since he had ~35% equity), so you don't actually make money charging his fd in the first place.

I think your thought process is confusing a lot of NLHE concepts to fit what you want to happen. Blocking Ax, ahead of his range right now, getting a good price. The operative concept here is you aren't getting value from worse with the flop bet.
This guy was crazy ; very loose player, in general at 1/2 I would agree that I shouldn't be betting this flop for value; I think there are a bunch of combos in his opening range that he would continue with and be behind to me;


If people are playing almost every hand im gonna give action especially for a min-raise; I don't think this spot is an auto check by any means
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