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08-29-2013 , 04:23 PM
This is my first post on this site about a hand so I'm sorry in advance if I it is unorthodox how I re play the hand.

2-5 deep game in NYC min $500 uncapped

My stack = $2100 (bought in for $800 idk if you should take into consideration)

I'm on the button

UTG - hyper aggro player always adds on to his stack so he's covering the entire table sitting with about 5k

UTG +1 - TAG player sitting with about $1500 plays pretty well doesn't try to get fancy of creative that often.

UTG raises to $40 every one calls so I just flat with KTCC

(Pot $400) flop- KsTh3h

UTG leads for $250

UTG +1 ships about $1500

I ship my remaining $2000

UTG snap calls

UTG shows AhAs

UTG shows QJhh

They are both begging for business (running it two or three times)

Do I run business ?

Thoughts on how I played the hand ?

Should I have considered that one of the players has a set and just let it go and find a better spot?

Thoughts please
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08-29-2013 , 05:43 PM
Damn, no replies on my first thread ? Tough crowd.
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08-29-2013 , 06:11 PM
PF: "everyone calls" How many people are in the hand? Since the pot ends up being $400, then you are playing 10 handed. I personally fold pre. With 7 others in the pot, and knowing I have the blinds to act, I fold.

F: So the pot is $400 and the SPR is 3.8 against UTG1. SPR against UTG is 5.3. I mean we flop top two on a pretty wet board. Are we going to fold top two with an SPR of 5.3? I'd go with it

I personally wouldn't run it twice even though you are a dog to the QhJh. Your hand is vulnerable though.

As far as does one of these players have a set, well of course they could, you have blockers to KK and TT. Depending on the player type of UTG, he probably doesn't have 33.
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08-29-2013 , 07:10 PM
I think I'm like 44% and QJhh is 40% aces is 14%. We ended up running it three times and I scooped Yeh it was ten handed but I knew the small blind big blind were never raising the super aggro UTG player unless they have aces and I know I'm getting paid everytime if I hit the flop hard ( I know a fishy excuse)
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08-29-2013 , 07:59 PM
running it 2-3 times doesn't change EV, it only smooths out variance.

I personally like to smooth out variance, I think it helps me make better decisions in the long run (I'm a hobby player so I don't have a proper poker bankroll).
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08-30-2013 , 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by mtagliaf
running it 2-3 times doesn't change EV, it only smooths out variance.
I'm nearly positive that running it three is a marginal increase in EV for the player with the leading/made hand.

Would need to summon bip! for math proof of that, though.
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08-31-2013 , 02:57 AM
So your 2 pair won all 3 times and you did run business Rememmurme?
The one dude has an open ended and flush draw which is scarier than AA hitting a set or pairing the board that's not a K or 10.

Only 3 players saw the flop right or all 10 did and only 3 went all-in?
With the stacks that large, I'm surprised AA didn't raise higher preflop b/c when
you have AA, you're prepared to get all your money in but I guess if he raised too much, he was afraid he'd get no action.

It's amazing how much money someone is willing to lay down based on outs..
QJ had to know they were behind with the 250 but 1500.. he should have flat called 250.. were you flat calling if utg+1 didnt do 1500? I guess it's tough to say.. would have been sick if someone had a set (which you said someone did?)
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08-31-2013 , 03:05 AM
running it doesn't change anything ev wise only reduces variance but yeah... u scooping all 3 is about 10% so u ran good in that one :P
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08-31-2013 , 03:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Sutro
I'm nearly positive that running it three is a marginal increase in EV for the player with the leading/made hand.

Would need to summon bip! for math proof of that, though.
yeah you generally need proof of weird claims
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08-31-2013 , 03:08 AM
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Originally Posted by snapperhead
So your 2 pair won all 3 times and you did run business Rememmurme?
The one dude has an open ended and flush draw which is scarier than AA hitting a set or pairing the board that's not a K or 10.

Only 3 players saw the flop right or all 10 did and only 3 went all-in?
With the stacks that large, I'm surprised AA didn't raise higher preflop b/c when
you have AA, you're prepared to get all your money in but I guess if he raised too much, he was afraid he'd get no action.

It's amazing how much money someone is willing to lay down based on outs..
QJ had to know they were behind with the 250 but 1500.. he should have flat called 250.. were you flat calling if utg+1 didnt do 1500? I guess it's tough to say.. would have been sick if someone had a set (which you said someone did?)
not feelin this post at all
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08-31-2013 , 03:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Sutro
I'm nearly positive that running it three is a marginal increase in EV for the player with the leading/made hand.

Would need to summon bip! for math proof of that, though.
No.
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08-31-2013 , 04:29 AM
Fold pre. You are looking to flop gold to even consider continuing with this hand.

The flops you would be looking for are KKK, TTT, KKT, TTK, TKK, KTT, KKx, TTx, and lastly JQ2.

8 flops out of countless. It's 280 in the pot to you, and you're investing 40 just to hit one of these flops. You'll lose 280 plus much more before you ever hit one of these flops.

As played, I'm folding, and I'm as far from a nit as you come. 10 handed, and UTG leads on this flop, and UTG+1 ships right after.

We're not even sure we have 4 solid outs due to one of them might stupidly ship AK here. We could be just drawing it 3 outs. 4/47 = 12%. 3/47 = 16%. To call UTG+1's bet of 1500 into a 2150 pot would be around 70% equity. Is KT really good 70% of the time here after a family bloated pot, and a lead and a shove from ep's?

Maybe I'm wrong here, but I just can't call this. Not unless I was playing with V's I knew everything about and play with everyday and had some logical reads.
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08-31-2013 , 07:36 AM
Not going to lie, seems like a lot of the posts in this thread are giving horrible advice. Played hand well op. Running it more than once is cool if you like to reduce the swings of the game.
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