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Old 10-22-2017, 04:33 PM   #1
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Flopping a strait in the CO.

1/2 live NL.

Hero is CO, $280 effective.
Villain is UTG+1, $200 effective.

Two limps, hero raises to $12 with QsJd

SB calls, villain calls

Flop 9d 10d Ks

Checks to hero, bet $25 villain calls

Turn 8d

Villain bets $35, hero calls (begrudgingly)

River 6d

Villain bets $50, hero????

Villain is an older tag who rarely puts it in without having a hand. His check call, and then lead out makes me think flush, but I have the strait and the SF draw, completely a flush on the river makes my decision a little more tricky, considering the A and the K beat me. Thoughts?




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Old 10-22-2017, 05:34 PM   #2
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Re: Flopping a strait in the CO.

With two limpers, add at least one BB to your standard raise for each limper. If you normally raise to $12, raise to $16 or $20. With a hand as middling as QJ you don't mind taking down the pot pre.

Bet bigger on the flop when you have the current nuts but are vulnerable to flushes. Pot is $36 and you bet only $25. Charge anyone drawing to the flush. $35-45 would be better IMO.

Fold river. Given bet sizing, villain likely has a bigger flush. His bet is giving you great odds, clearly wants a call from a weaker hand.

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Old 10-22-2017, 05:51 PM   #3
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Re: Flopping a strait in the CO.

Looks fine. Calling the turn is pretty automatic unless villain only bets a strong flush. River depends on villain's ability to bluff and how low of a flush he can turn up with. However, since you obviously have Ad hands in your range villain's bet is strong and generally a higher flush, usually fold unless villain bluffs a lot. Occasionally make the crying call.
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Old 10-22-2017, 06:54 PM   #4
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Looks fine. Calling the turn is pretty automatic unless villain only bets a strong flush. River depends on villain's ability to bluff and how low of a flush he can turn up with. However, since you obviously have Ad hands in your range villain's bet is strong and generally a higher flush, usually fold unless villain bluffs a lot. Occasionally make the crying call.


I made the crying call. He had shoved with the nuts twice before, so I figured he didn't have it this time.


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Old 10-22-2017, 07:43 PM   #5
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Re: Flopping a strait in the CO.

Grunch (Means I have not read any responses, just OP)

"Effective stacks" means the smaller of the players in the hand, so even though you had $280, you couldn't put more than $200 in the pot, as V's stack is the effective max.

Bigger on the flop, please. You have $36 in the pot (lets assume blinds and limps raked off) on a wet board. I make it at least $30, and given how well that board hits a limp/caller's range, I might go pot. I know that you don't want to lose your customers, but you also want to get that value before a scare card comes and kills your action (or your hand).

AP, never folding turn, given the cheap price.

AP to river, call it off. He may well have AdXd, but there is very little Qd in his range (really only QdJx). He's betting 1/3 pot, so even with his bet, your $50 represents under 20% of the final pot. Surely he has a lower SC of diamonds here at least one out of five times.
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Old 10-23-2017, 03:05 AM   #6
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Grunch (Means I have not read any responses, just OP)

"Effective stacks" means the smaller of the players in the hand, so even though you had $280, you couldn't put more than $200 in the pot, as V's stack is the effective max.

Bigger on the flop, please. You have $36 in the pot (lets assume blinds and limps raked off) on a wet board. I make it at least $30, and given how well that board hits a limp/caller's range, I might go pot. I know that you don't want to lose your customers, but you also want to get that value before a scare card comes and kills your action (or your hand).

AP, never folding turn, given the cheap price.

AP to river, call it off. He may well have AdXd, but there is very little Qd in his range (really only QdJx). He's betting 1/3 pot, so even with his bet, your $50 represents under 20% of the final pot. Surely he has a lower SC of diamonds here at least one out of five times.


I call. He flips two pair.....I was surprised to say the least.


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Old 10-23-2017, 08:09 AM   #7
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Re: Flopping a strait in the CO.

These results validate my "there's always a 10% chance your V is randomly spazzing out" theorem. What two pair?
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Old 10-23-2017, 09:35 AM   #8
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These results validate my "there's always a 10% chance your V is randomly spazzing out" theorem. What two pair?


K 9. He seemed like the type that zoned in on his hand and just disregarded the rest of the board. I overheard him a few hands later talking to his left saying "I don't care what they have, I know what I have". He flipped his cards over pretty quick, definitely seemed like he had no clue a strait or a flush could be out there. It's kinda jacked me up, I was sitting there afterwards going "he almost bluffed me off a hand by accident". lol


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Old 10-23-2017, 09:37 AM   #9
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These results validate my "there's always a 10% chance your V is randomly spazzing out" theorem. What two pair?


My apologies as well in the other thread. I was unaware that there was such a thread. Noted.


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Old 10-23-2017, 09:48 AM   #10
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Re: Flopping a strait in the CO.

Is there a reason we are not raising/jamming the turn with an open ended straight flush? Curious as to what everyone would think of this play.
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