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11-03-2018 , 12:40 AM

godsavethequeen

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Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 34

1/2 Live. Table is super loose, spewing money, and sticky. Don't recall the effective stack sizes but think I had everyone covered.

Hero SB AhQh (250 stack)

HJ 12
CO call
BU call
Hero 45
3 calls

Flop KJTr

Hero leads out 100
everyone folds

I show my hand and everyone berates me for raising the nuts. How much would you lead out on the flop? Or would you check it back?

Also is 45 a good 3 bet size here?

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11-03-2018 , 01:14 AM

matzah_ball

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3bet is too small flop bet is fine. Maybe bet flop smaller and shove any turn given stacks

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11-03-2018 , 03:38 AM

wj94

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Probably bet like $40 on the flop and hope someone spazzes

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11-03-2018 , 09:53 AM

ralphykid67

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We can't always check the nuts because we become far too predictable. Don't show your hand and for the love of god don't take their advice seriously. I agree with betting smaller something between $40-60 may find you a caller. This board will very often smash their ranges and we may even get a raise or multiple callers. Sometimes they all have nothing to continue with (low pocket pairs, suited connectors etc)...oh well.

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11-03-2018 , 10:19 AM

ImAllInNow

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Preflop sizing is WAAAAAY too small. Should be $65 or so. Still room to fold to a jam on that sizing and much more likely to isolate or win preflop.

As played, I think checking that flop is a reasonable decision given no flush draw. You want an opponent to get a free card for a set or to make a stab or to hit a worse straight.

Betting seems ok, but you could go $50-$75 or so given a pot of $180 and the remaining stack sizes. If you had $1k-$2k behind, then your sizing would be fine.

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11-03-2018 , 10:38 AM

DrChesspain

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I think the flop bet is fine, as it's barely more than a 1/2 psb, and OP stated that the table is playing loose and sticky.

Unless OP has been 3-betting light, it should be obvious to everyone at the table that it's unlikely that he whiffed or flopped a "meh" hand. Should OP be checking AA/AK on this flop?

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11-03-2018 , 06:44 PM

Ray Zee

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the flop bet is just fine and maybe more if you wanted. if someone hit that flop and they figure to have, then you are getting action. you just got unlucky no one had big cards thats all.

if you give out a free card then if and ace, queen or nine comes you split it or get no calls from two pairs or less as it looks like a straight for sure.

and if the boards pairs and gives someone trips you almost have to move in or give them odds with implied as well to have the best of you. and if it doesnt make trips it kills your action again.

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11-03-2018 , 08:07 PM

WereBeer

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All good right up until you a) show your cards and b) then seem to care what random 1/2 players tell you about your game.

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11-03-2018 , 08:42 PM

jc315

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Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 1,049

1) 3b bigger
2) betting is good/mandatory 4-way as villains will have plenty of obvious hands to continue here, including KQ/KJ/JT/TT/JJ/QJ/KTs
3) dont show

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11-03-2018 , 09:47 PM

#10

ES2

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Originally Posted by Ray Zee

All true. I'd check the flop 0% of the time.

Might bet less than $100 on the flop, just because it's a psychological barrier. But it's hard to think of villain hands where it would make a difference.

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11-03-2018 , 10:45 PM

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ImAllInNow

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Originally Posted by Ray Zee

This is a pretty pessimistic view of checking this board. I don't advocate slowplaying a lot, but this seems like one of the better times to do it. You're not risking making less from other good hands because they still have a chance to bet the flop. It'd be different if we were IP and checked the flop.

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11-04-2018 , 12:04 AM

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Ray Zee

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i gave good reasons not to slow play it. i am not worried as much about someone betting if i dont i do not ever want to see a free card come off here. even if a great small card does it just means i passed up on a betting round.

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11-04-2018 , 01:05 PM

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ImAllInNow

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Originally Posted by Ray Zee

even if a great small card does it just means i passed up on a betting round.

Stacks are short enough that we don't need 3 betting rounds to get all the money in.

Any hand we have to worry about giving a free card to beat us will bet for us on the flop (sets, two pair, even straight draws probably bet).

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11-04-2018 , 01:14 PM

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venice10

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Originally Posted by WereBeer

All good right up until you a) show your cards and b) then seem to care what random 1/2 players tell you about your game.

+100

The problem with monster flops is that when you get them, nobody else can have much of anything. They had nothing. If one of them had a King or a Queen, you would have gotten a lot of money. Never show your cards in this situation.

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11-04-2018 , 02:42 PM

#15

ImAllInNow

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Originally Posted by venice10

The problem with monster flops is that when you get them, nobody else can have much of anything.

This is more true when you flop top set, top full house, or top two pair. Not as true when you flop a straight since you're not blocking any of the cards on the board.

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11-04-2018 , 10:13 PM

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Nozsr

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I wouldn't show UNLESS i planned to reserve the option to squeeze often, or bluff occasionally, in the next few orbits. Then I don't mind "suggesting" that the OMC they see before them "seems to have it a lot".

But those are not things I would plan in advance to do at this table of loose, spewy, and sticky Villains.

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