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Flopped twopair played wrong? Flopped twopair played wrong?

09-10-2015 , 05:11 AM
10/10 (big blind and small are the same, yes) full ring game. Also currency not in USD, so low stakes game. Eff: about 2000.

Villain, male mid 40s who I've seen a couple of times and rate as a loose passive player (much of a calling station, sees about 50 % of flops) opens UTG to 50. MP calls. I have A10 off and call in HJ. C/O and BTN also call. Five players to the flop.

Flop: 2, A, 10 (last two hearts)

Original raiser bets 100, MP fold. I raise to 320. Folded to OR who calls. Here I put him on AK/AQ/KK and possibly QQ since he rarely raises pre and often times goes for a limp/call.

Turn: Q

He checks. I bet 800 and he insta shoves for 1600. Play? Is he ever doing this with a worse hans? The only hand I see that we beat here is AK or possibly KQh. Do we have the room to fold? Is the turn sizing too big?

Spoiler:
I end up calling and he has AQo
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09-10-2015 , 05:34 AM
fold pre, make flop raise bigger, bet less on turn and usually fold to this c/r given description

pre:

http://www.thepokerbank.com/strategy...s/gap-concept/
what's a passive player's opening range UTG? how does ATo look vs. that?

flop:

bingo. drawy board, we have a good but vulnerable hand. i would raise to at least 400, probably 500. hearts will call, Broadways will call, AK will call, AQ will call, there's tons of value here

turn:

bad turn card. would not pot it here. at a minimum bet less, but you could consider checking behind. AQ got there, QQ hit a set

AP, he could be crai it worse than AT, but highly player dependent. when a passive player c/r all in on this turn, you're generally toast. He has at least two sets in his range, better 2P, and maybe even KJs occasionally. Because he's 'passive', I'm pretty sure its not a draw here, and it ain't A2. Maybe once in a blue moon he shows up with ATs but I doubt it.

yeah our pot odds are great but wtf do we beat from this player?

Last edited by amh1121; 09-10-2015 at 05:35 AM. Reason: styling
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09-10-2015 , 06:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by amh1121
fold pre, make flop raise bigger, bet less on turn and usually fold to this c/r given description

pre:

http://www.thepokerbank.com/strategy...s/gap-concept/
what's a passive player's opening range UTG? how does ATo look vs. that?

flop:

bingo. drawy board, we have a good but vulnerable hand. i would raise to at least 400, probably 500. hearts will call, Broadways will call, AK will call, AQ will call, there's tons of value here

turn:

bad turn card. would not pot it here. at a minimum bet less, but you could consider checking behind. AQ got there, QQ hit a set

AP, he could be crai it worse than AT, but highly player dependent. when a passive player c/r all in on this turn, you're generally toast. He has at least two sets in his range, better 2P, and maybe even KJs occasionally. Because he's 'passive', I'm pretty sure its not a draw here, and it ain't A2. Maybe once in a blue moon he shows up with ATs but I doubt it.

yeah our pot odds are great but wtf do we beat from this player?

Yeah completely agree with you, I think the biggest mistake is to call pre. Played it really bad and I actually took a break of more than twenty minutes after this hand, which might have been the only good thing to be taken from this. And a lot of lessons of course. I was running on an extreme rush and was probably affected by that.

Thanks for your comments and time!
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09-10-2015 , 06:28 AM
happens to the best of us.

also - next time - i recommend not posting results at first. it biases the conversation and generally makes it less interesting
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09-10-2015 , 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by amh1121
happens to the best of us.

also - next time - i recommend not posting results at first. it biases the conversation and generally makes it less interesting

Okey I see, was thinking about that. Thanks for the advice, new to the forum. I will keep that in mind!
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