Hero has about 180 chips. V1 around 500. v2 around 400

Hero has an image of a very wide range preflop in general. But played tighter than normal and folded more hands than usual pre, not sure if players had caught that tho.

v1: Haven't seen him bluffing at all. The few hands he showed were top pair top kicker on the flop. He did get aggressive after a few made hands on the turn.

v2: I've played him many times before and he was tight. But he was running good the hour leading to this hand and i saw him playing 2,5; 7,10 off suit utg.

Hand:

utg opens 15, v1 at utg+2 calls, v2 at utg+3 calls. one more caller. hero on the button calls with 2s7s

flop (75ish) 7d6d2d
utg checks, v1 bets 35, v2 goes all in with 300+. Folds to hero. hero?

(utg is very short stack (less than 40 after the 15 preflop bet))

Pre is egregious. Flop is a pretty standard fold (unless our psychic abilities predict a 7 ott/otr).

The few times we are ahead we usually don't stay ahead.
The many times we are behind we usually don't catch up.

If I put at least one of them on made flush, I only have 4 outs, yes. but is it possible that v2 has AdX, and v1 has an overpair? v2 was on a heater leading to the hand so i felt it was possible he was pushing his luck with the Ad as he blocked a made nut flush.

I don't see 66 pushing there. I feel that it is too strong a hand to ship?

Yes. If someone flopped a set, we could have two or zero non-runner outs (though zero is highly unlikely). Anyway, even if all 4 outs are clean, that's 20% equity. Even if we get it in (gii) 3 ways for marbles, we only have slightly better than 2:1 odds, when we'd need 5:1 odds just to break even (BE).
It's certainly possible. This just isn't the case frequently enough to make gii profitable.

This is false. Lots of people would mindlessly shove 66 either hoping to be ahead or to improve (disclaimer: this play isn't without merit). A lot of people who assume their set is ahead will shove for a lot of reasons, including that they don't want to be in bad spots on scary turn/river cards.

To be clear OP, in absolute terms a flopped set is a very strong hand. Even on a monochrome flop, it's pretty strong. But when stacks gii on the monochrome flop, especially against multiple opponents, the relative strength of a set tends to diminish to the point where the player holding it realizes he/she is often behind, but has decent equity and hopes to suck out.

Fold pre FFS

I was going to post the same thing and decided it was a waste of time.

lolololol at pre flop.
Fold the flop.

Well played other than those 2 streets.

You paid $2 for the thrill of catching 2p with an awful hand... then you actually have a chance to let it go before self-imploding. Let it go.

1/2 shove screams a set... or better 2pair what are you thinking playing 2/7? because it's suited? oh good idea because you see 2/7s on TV don't play this hand even IP unless HU.

I understand playing 2,7 is laughable but I was confused about the situation and figured similar scenario could happen if I had played suited connectors or even ak.

But v1 is relatively tight, if he had bet 35 in midposition, which is close to half of the pot, it is highly possible he had made a flush then v2's set (assuming he has one) is way behind. I can't imagine him risking entire stack to catch the few outs? but I guess he wouldn't be risking entire stack with AdX either if i follow the same logic..

He didn't pay $2. He called a $15 raise.

This hand hurts my heart a little bit, where to begin...

It's good that you have stack sizes and reads on villains, but reads only help if they are accurate. You describe v2 as tight, but then mention him playing 52 and T7 utg, so I personally wouldn't describe this player as "tight."

What this does mean, however, is that he has all suited combos in his range, and by "tight" you likely meant with regard to his stack off range. Given this, I think the flop is a pretty trivial fold. If you had AK, and the flop was AsKs6s, and the action was the same, I believe you should still fold. People notice monotone boards, and someone that was careful with their stack off range isn't punting 150+ BBs with a worse 2pair, or AxQs (Ad in your actual hand) very often, if ever. This assumes your reads are somewhat accurate.

Side note: when I read the hand you called with, I considered ramming my head through my bedroom wall. Infer from that what you will. It would be much better to make a large 3bet than to call, but the optimal play BY FAR is to simply fold. Poker is a game of decisions, and preflop decisions are an extremely relevant aspect of the game. Large amounts of money are won and lost preflop. You will not be a winner until you accept this cold, hard truth.

Yeah I understand it was terrible to call 15 pre, but I wanted to post to see if my post flop action was right.

So everyone agrees it is a fold..I did fold and v1 showed kdjd, v2 instantly mucked after v1 showed. So either he had 7,6 or AdX I assume. No diamond came on the turn or river. Turn was a 2, but I understand that was irrelevant to my post flop decision.

So he did. Sweet baby Jesus.

I think you've got the fold pre point by now

OTF, you have 2P on a mono flop and someone has shoved 265 into a 145 pot. There are a few hands that might do that, including a set, a small flush, or perhaps 2P. We can almost certainly rule out the nut flush though.

You're in terrible shape against any of those hands. LLSNL V's shove as pure bluff or with TP or an overpair in this spot roughly never. (And TP or an overpair actually have a lot of equity against you, since they can have a diamond as well as their set/2P outs).

Even if the flop had had only two diamonds, I'd still fold this. Top and bottom pair just isn't that strong a hand on this action.

Get yourself a copy of Flopzilla and play around with and ranges on this flop. You'll quickly see you're hand is in bad, bad shape.

Instafold.

Thanks for the analysis. but if the flop had had only 2 diamonds, why would you fold 2p? because with two players ahead, I would for sure be way behind at least one of them? what if it is a headsup situation?

A lot of $1/$2 players are a combination of both tight and loose. They drove to the casino and aren't there just to fold. So they call a lot pre. But once they start shoveling money in post-flop, they tend to have a made hand. So in that regard they are tight.

I'd fold top and bottom on this action, not in general. The shove might be a semi-bluff, but I haven't found LLSNL V's do that very often.

If I called, I'd expect to get shown a strong hand (top two or better) quite often. When that happens, we were drawing very thin (roughly two outs). OTOH, if V is semi-bluffing or getting carried away with an TP or an overpair, he has a decent chance to get ahead (at least 5 outs on the flop, 8 on the turn).

Basically, I think when a V shoves we have a very good chance of being behind and drawing thin with some chance of being ahead, but not crushingly so. On top of that, we have another V in the hand who has something. We need to get past both of them to win.

Heads up, it gets closer to a call; we need only one V to be behind us. I think in this case it would come down to my read on V. Against an unknown I'd lean to folding.

Ah thank you.

Op, essentially what you are trying to do here is play bad cards but make good reads. That method will only work out to be profitable if your reads are SIGNIFICANTLY better than your opponents' reads. This hand illustrates how difficult that process is.

In this particular spot, when I player moves in like that, you shouldn't call unless you have a good reason to believe he's bluffing.