Good 2/5 game at private club with many regs who know each other. Villain in this hand is a bit spewy on early streets and in small-to-medium pots, hates folding and tries to be tricky, but usually has strong hands in big pots. Will raise and 3b pretty light in position, calls way too much on flop, mostly sane on later streets. He is a middle aged guy who does a lot of goofy live reg type stuff but he is at least trying to pay attention.

I am one of the tighter players at the table, he knows I have a fold button but don't think villain views me as a nit. I am stuck like 1k and I am sure he is aware of this.

I have ~1700 and he covers.

Villain limps UTG, another limp to me, I raise button to 30 with A6, BB calls, Villain calls, limper folds.

Flop (95) K66

checks to me, I bet 50, BB folds, Villain calls pretty fast. At this point I think he can have a lot of kings, small to middling pairs, even some A high floats / backdoors. He limp/calls very wide and hates folding flops.

Turn (195) 7
Villain now leads for 150. I call.

I think this is a very polarized line and sizing. He is capable of trying to rep a 6 here, or he could actually have trips+. I guess he is the type who could do this if he turned a draw, but there are very few combos that make it to turn like that because he is raising a lot of suited Ax hands pre, and the king of diamonds is out. I don't think he does this with a king very often, but weirder things have happened. Anyway I call to keep bluffs in and see what happens. I am losing to 77 or 67 but that feels MUBSy.

River (495) T
He leads pretty quickly for 300, I think about it and shove for ~1450ish.

Once he bet river in this fashion I felt like his most likely holding was trips+ and he is going to have a very hard time putting me on a better 6 and folding. His next most likely holding is a pure bluff which isn't calling no matter what. Yes I may have to worry about 67 or 77 but he has a lot of naked trips in his range here too. Shoving looks more suspicious than making it like 800 and he may talk himself into calling because I'm stuck.

What naked trips do you think he has? Only 1 combo each of 56s, 86s. Maybe he gets wild and plays 64s and 96s pre? I think this is just a call.

yes I think he can have all the hands you mentioned and a few others. sorry if my description does not make it clear but he was v loose pre

I’d overlimp button. I don’t expect to get this through too often and I don’t expect to be pushing much hand v range edge v 2 opponents. Versus 1 opponent, I’d raise.

This is a big call for the case 6. I definitely wouldn’t expect to have the nuts if he calls here. Can he have like Q6s?


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The shove is spew. What do you think he can have that will lead on the turn and river, as well as call your shove that you beat? Not much IMO.

Getting a fold from a worse hand doesn't gain you anything. So you risked a lot of money for virtually no potential gain.

I like it. Worth noting that both K6s and 76s are impossible. His line is dumb overall, but for value he can do this with any 6x targeting Kx and AA. Given that we have a 6 he's likely bluffing, but much more likely to have a 6 than a boat.

It's really hard for us to be beat here, except for maybe 76o, which it sounds like Villain could show up with. Maybe 77 is also possible.

I probably call just to see his hand, since I think the described Villain is going to play perfectly against our exact hand--which actually is making me wonder if turning AA or AK into a bluff against Villain on the river is a good idea (because if we don't, our only river raises would be KK/77/66).

Given villain description raise is probably ok. 89 got there and sounds like it should be in villain range. Especially if he will hero some kx.

I think a lot of people call down by default here.

I don't think being down $1k should be that much of a factor if you are viewed as winning player - maybe if you were visibly tilted or making mistakes.

Before seeing the turn card, I thought of a couple of flop floats that might lead the turn ... 54dd/98dd, which got there on the river. Once the BB folds, V range is widened, closing action.

Can we min-raise river, and get away to a jam? I think we can. Jam might fold worse.

Flop - I'd size up, given the V description.

You make this guy sound like he aware of your range/tightness in this spot. For that reason it’s very unlikely I would expect him to call off with worse here. Looks like a spot where v folds worse a bunch and we own ourselves. If you think v is the type to call off ap otr, I would prefer a turn raise/attempt to gii as opposed to your river jam line.

I agree with venice10 and others that shove is a spew. I doubt he would call with KT, AK, KQ. You are not going to push him off the hand if he has 67, KK, 77, 89. What other hand could he have given his play? You block K6. If he calls, he has you beat.

I think you turned your hand into a bluff.

Based on villain's description, he can indeed have a ton of 6s. Let's give him A6, K6s, Q6s, J6s, T6s, 96s, 86, 76, 65, 64s, 63s. He could also have a set of 77. Also since he calls widely on the flop, he could very well have 89o for a rivered straight.

Plugging that range into flopzilla, his range has 62% equity. If you do remove 89o, but keep 89s then his equity drops to 46%.

But surely, that overbet will fold at least part of the 6xs you beat. Chances are you re valueowning yourself.

I think either a call or a more standard raise in order here. I would also raise the turn.

I don't think a shove against a skilled player is the best move. Probably should just call. Although, I can't tell you how many times I see a runout like this where both players get it in and one of them turns up 68, 64, or some other random weak trips.

I wouldn’t call it spew because I don’t really see how we’re beat that often here. I guess Villain can have boats but there should be just a few combos. From suit distribution it doesn’t appear as if K6s and 76s are available. if we give him the boat combos using offsuit 6x, we’re always gonna be able to locate a greater number of naked trips combos. Like if we give him 67o, then we also have to give him 65o, and there’s more 65o than 67o combinatorially. Plus he has 64s,68s,69s, etc. If you tag him as a bit loose on early streets, I guess we lose some of the time to 98s with BDFD (just 3 combos). We also lose to 77 (3 combos).

Altogether I think we’re ahead more often than not, but maybe the shove is a bit too thin. I’m worried that raise might fold out the hands we beat a bit too often. It seems that you need to get called by all his 6x to make a raise profitable. Maybe a smaller raise to 750 would do the trick.

You say he has strong hands in big pots...which this is becoming when he bets $300 on the river.

The only hand you're beating is a worse 6...

I guess if you're like Austin Powers and like to live dangerously, then it's a good shove!

Based on the description of V, I would take one of two lines:

1. Raise the turn to ~500 - If you want to get it in, this is the only line I think you can take where you have a shot at getting it in good. If he raises the turn, you fold, and if he flats, you can jam any safe rivers.

2. Call River AP - As numerous others have stated, it seems like a real stretch to think he can call your jam with a naked 6 here. If he does, i'd treat him like a whale and not as someone paying attention.

I think the 2nd line is probably the right one to take here, but, i can get behind a turn raise against this V.

OP, what were the results of the hand?

results - he tank-called with 56o. After the hand, he said he didn't give me a 6 here like ever because I raised pre.

The quote above is pretty much what was going through my head when I decided to shove river. I felt like he was unlikely to get away from any trips here and that was his most likely holding. Maybe my player description in the OP is causing people to give him a bit too much credit. But in retrospect it felt pretty thin at best, even though I got paid, so I can't say I disagree with the consensus here. Thanks for all the replies.

This is why the super sneaky check call - Donk line sucks in a nutshell. Had he check raise - bet - bet, or check call - check raise - bet, he gets all in and can stack AA or any K. Instead, when all of the money goes in, he has a bluffcatcher. So he took a wicked profitable situation and turned it into one with bad RIO


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Before I saw the results, I thought the river shove was spew: folding out worse and getting called by better. I like just calling a lot better.

I still think it's spew, but you have to love the result. This time.

Above in the thread, OvertlySexual ran quite reasonable ranges, and found we're only ahead 54% of the time with A6.
If you've got a read that Villain won't fold trips here, you can go with it. It isn't spew. It's just a super thin raise. Hop on board the variance express...
Against a tight, aware player this is going to be spew, though.

Can't really assume every hand is 100% or 0% frequency. Full houses would usually check/raise to get all the money in. It's a disaster for 77 if we do just call with A6, AA, AK, K7, 65, etc when we could stack us at some frequency by x/r. I don't think it's reasonable to include 98 without a backdoor flush draw, and 98s with a backdoor flush draw wouldn't even necessarily take this line. Even someone who calls the flop "way too wide" isn't gonna call quickly with nothing but a 986 backdoor vs. a half pot bet 3-ways OOP. He could be wider and have more 6x than expected. He could call off with Kx because he's obviously clueless for even taking this line.