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Flopped top + bottom facing 3bet squeeze multiway. Flopped top + bottom facing 3bet squeeze multiway.

07-28-2015 , 01:53 PM
2/5 table is largely loose passive.

Hero - Young Asian male, glasses. Been playing very tight.

Villain - 40-year old lady, loose passive, but would raise preflop with like JKo in early position.

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Hero has Ac4c in the SB. Limps around to Hero. Hero calls due to the massive odds and having an easy hand to play multiway. BB checks. About six players to the flop.

Flop: A54dd

Pot is about $25. Hero leads for about $15 from the SB. UTG+2 and MP1 calls. Villain in the CO raises all-in to $95. Hero has to call $75 to win $165 getting around 2:1.

Hero tanks. There aren't any hands that Hero completely dominates. AJ+ I think would raise preflop, and I don't think weak Aces shoves with a bet and two calls.

There are a couple of hands that completely dominates Hero (A5, 55, 32) which all make sense for Villain to limp with and then shove to deny FDs.

And the rest are flush draws with solid outs on Hero. Hero folds.

How does this logic sound?
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07-28-2015 , 02:54 PM
I disagree about weak aces not shoving there. If someone's holding onto 19BB in a cash game they're looking to stick it in one way or another. Flopping top pair looks like a good hand to a lot of people, so a lot of people will jam it in with it. Another thing to consider is maybe V has some kind of draw and is fed up with being pushed off hands she would have made on later streets. Maybe V just wants to stack up or go home. There are a lot of variables here that aren't being taken into consideration.

That said, leading with T/B OOP on a wet board like this is asking for trouble. You're much better off checking to see what your opponents do. By leading you're letting people know you have something. If another player bets and the field thins to HU or 3 way you can call looking like some kind of draw, effectively disguising your hand against anybody who might be thinking at your table. If another player bets and a lot of people call, or someone raises, you can dump the hand right there without having invested anything more. If nobody bets and you get a free turn you can now lead into anything non-threatening and have a better chance of getting value from worse hands from the players who are thinking "Of course this tight player would bet his two pair on that scary flop, I have to call with my Ax, 54, pair/flush draw, etc."

Of course, it could also be that nobody is a thinking player at this table but you. If that's the case, why are you trying to put people on ranges based on a lack of action preflop when all the useful information is on the flop already?
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07-28-2015 , 02:57 PM
UTG+2 and MP1 are extremely relevant here. if i know i'm only against 1 V, i'm calling this all day for 15bb
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07-28-2015 , 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by johnny_on_the_spot
UTG+2 and MP1 are extremely relevant here. if i know i'm only against 1 V, i'm calling this all day for 15bb
This. I think your reads on UTG+2 and MP1 are necessary before advising. If they are going to fold then the call is easy.
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07-28-2015 , 04:24 PM
UTG+1 / MP are loose-passive. I am not too worried about them given that they just called. There is a chance they could be slowplaying (although small given the flush draw), and there is a chance that if I call, they will overcall with better odds.

UTG+1 is about 50BB deep.
MP is almost 100BB deep.

Other notes on Villain:

- History hand from a previous session, she min-raised me on the river against my top pair. She showed a straight. I do believe she gets it in pretty light, but emotions played I just didn't feel great since three of my top-two pairs were beaten every time this session.

Other thoughts:

- I feel like if Villain had a draw, she would call behind. When you have three bets behind you, you are given the odds to flat and chase. As a loose passive and my gut on my read on her, I don't think she would try to do an unnecessary semi-bluff. I think the Ace was part of the FD so FD + pair wasn't possible.

Last edited by FloppyFelty; 07-28-2015 at 04:37 PM.
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07-28-2015 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Joey913
This. I think your reads on UTG+2 and MP1 are necessary before advising. If they are going to fold then the call is easy.
What reads could you have on these people that would make you consider doing anything except minreraising?
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