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02-17-2017 , 05:03 PM
Villain is a solid LAG. Opens a lot of pots pre. Lost a couple of pots to me earlier in the night and seemed frustrated about it. In one hand he bet top pair weak kicker for three streets into my two pair.

The hand:
.50/1 game, 7 or 8 players total, we both have around $250

Hero is BB with J 9

couple of MP limpers, button limps, villain (SB) completes and hero (BB) checks.

Flop: ($5) Q T K
Villain bets 2, Hero raises to $7, Villain calls

Turn: ($19) Q
Villain checks, Hero bets 15, Villain raises to $60, Hero calls

River: ($139) 7
Villain all-in for $160

Hero?

Will post results in a few days.
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02-17-2017 , 05:18 PM
Well, given we could easily have a boat. And he just bet into us. I'd say you're toast.

You just potted the flop and bet/called turn and he just jammed the diamond river.

EASY PEASY fold.

The question is whether you can continue on the turn or not. You'll have to figure that out.
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02-17-2017 , 05:21 PM
If he opens any broadway pre from oop AND he overvalues Qx here then I gii ott
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02-17-2017 , 05:24 PM
GII on the turn.
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02-17-2017 , 05:54 PM
Good point on the turn, you're probably right. But once we get to the river, is it a call or fold?
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02-18-2017 , 04:51 AM
I don't fold straights very often


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02-18-2017 , 12:47 PM
V led a very connected board, then called a raise. Then V check raised the turn when the board paired. On the river, the flush got there, and V shipped.
I'm folding my straight. I hate the turn; that might be a good spot to bet-fold, not bet-call. V was SB, his range is wide open and includes every xx suited in diamonds as well as all Qx.
Our hand was never the nuts (AJ), and now, it's no where close to the nuts.
Limped pot, now we have to call 160 BBs on the river? FOLD.
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02-18-2017 , 08:49 PM
I hate having to fold a flopped two card straight, but our hand is pretty close to being a bluff-catcher. We don't have the nut straight, there's a plethora of broadway boat possibilities, and front door diamonds came in. With the way the action has gone, I'm not thrilled about it but I'm folding.
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02-18-2017 , 09:44 PM
I'd get it in on the turn even though he's reppin the boat, if he's loose as tilted as the case sounds id give him less credit for it

River is def a tricky spot though, and this is one of those spots I'd probably give it up

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02-19-2017 , 06:30 AM
Frustrating hand for sure . I think your line is pretty good here though and I would prolly end up folding here but hating it .

Don't blame a call though
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02-19-2017 , 07:23 AM
Our hand is not close to being a bluff-catcher, it is one. Villain has to be horrible to have worse value hands. We literally have the nut worst hand in our range to bluff catch this river with. We might get here with QJ, but that hand is much better as it has a blocker to QT/KQ, which is the majority if villain's value range. Folding this river and not thinking twice. Other streets are more interesting, IMO.

Flop raise should be bigger. Go full pot and make it at least $11.
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02-20-2017 , 04:14 AM
I was villain and had A 4

Judging by the responses, this was a not terrible bluff?

He ended up tank-calling.

I like timmay's comment as I would raise many broadway cards and very well might check-raise trips here.
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02-20-2017 , 04:19 AM
Was a dumb bluff on most because they don't fold even straights.

You're playing 50c/1.

You're donk/call on flop was bad.
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02-20-2017 , 04:44 AM
It's a really terrible bluff if you can't get villain to fold the bottom of his range.

If you thought Hero had a fold button it's fine, but he clearly doesn't.

You shouldn't have gotten to the river. Flop is bad and turn is pretty questionable. Your have a lot of hands with better equity on the turn. It would be nice for him to have Adxd in his range which he can fold, but you block that.

Even if he had folded then it wouldn't mean this is a good bluff either. Again this is the bottom of his range and he is correct to be folding it unless he has a read that you spew.
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02-20-2017 , 05:32 AM
Make the story short the turn hit him trips or house I call
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02-20-2017 , 09:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sc****uy
I was villain and had A 4

Judging by the responses, this was a not terrible bluff?

He ended up tank-calling.

I like timmay's comment as I would raise many broadway cards and very well might check-raise trips here.
Its not a terrible bluff buts its certainly not a very good one

I'd say leading 2 on the flop is a bad start to most bluffing narratives
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02-20-2017 , 09:41 AM
Shove turn. LAGs raise preflop with sets/AJ/KQ. Bad luck if he shows up with QT. Villain's rarely raise-fold and you can get called by Qx
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02-20-2017 , 09:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sc****uy
I was villain and had A 4

Judging by the responses, this was a not terrible bluff?

He ended up tank-calling.

I like timmay's comment as I would raise many broadway cards and very well might check-raise trips here.
The problem with reverse hh is we have no read on the actual villain. That's a pretty important determining factor in whether the bluff was good or not.
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02-20-2017 , 12:38 PM
Actual villain is a very good player. Now that I've played more with him he does call quite light, not just vs me. My read on him at the time was just that he was all around very solid, so I thought he was capable of big folds.

My logic was the ace of diamonds blocks both the nut straight and flush.

browni3141, you're saying it's better for HIM to have the ace of diamonds? I'm not following that logic. I want to hold the blocker to the nuts when I'm bluffing, correct?
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02-20-2017 , 12:46 PM
Why are you attacking 5 way limped pots with practically no equity?
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02-20-2017 , 12:55 PM
You played it terrible and posting it as a reverse hand history to try to justify your bluff doesn't make it better.
In many situations, if I had the straight here, I would fold the river. Against you, I think I'd call. Given how reckless you seem to play, I don't think I'd fold a flopped straight to you. That's just one reason why reverse hand histories don't work. Your 'reads' on the opponent are how you think you may be perceived but in reality, your opponent may have no reads on you at all. Or may think you always bluff and plans to call you no matter what. You don't know his mindset.

He tank called. So it was an uncomfortable spot for him. But he called your bluff and took your stack.

If you posted this as a standard hand history, it would look something like this:
H has A4o in the sb with the A diamond. Completes.
H leads 2 on KdQdTc flop. V raises to 7. H calls.
Turn Q. H checks, V bets, H check raises.
River: 7d: H shoves.

Responses might be something like:
Fold pre.
Check fold flop.
Oh no, you bet flop and got raised. Insta muck now.
Turn: Check fold turn. Oh, you check raised the turn? With almost no equity? And against a guy who raised flop and bet turn? A player who clearly has a pretty solid hand? And is playing very low stakes, so he almost certainly can't fold a decent hand? What are you thinking?!
River: Flush gets there, H has nut flush blocker but no hand at all, and shoves? Do you hate money? Where you do you live? Do you want to come play in my home game? Whatever stakes you'd like, we'll make it work for you.
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02-20-2017 , 01:02 PM
Good point, I shouldn't have gotten involved. I'll play more solid. For the record I am winning in this game but over a small sample.

Theory-wise, am I correct that it's better for me to have the Ad than him?
On the turn it's better for him to have it because he might be drawing to that hand and will therefore fold the river if diamonds miss.
But on the river it's better for me to have it because I'm blocking the nuts.

Is that right?
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02-20-2017 , 02:35 PM
Depends on the street
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02-20-2017 , 03:04 PM
I was talking about the turn. If he has Adxd in his bluffing range he should be folding most of them on a paired board to a pot-sized raise. You don't want to block hands in his folding range.

On the river even though he can't have very many nut flushes, you can, so he will be more likely to call if he has the blocker. It's good that you have it.
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02-20-2017 , 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Dutchstreetfish
You played it terrible and posting it as a reverse hand history to try to justify your bluff doesn't make it better.
In many situations, if I had the straight here, I would fold the river. Against you, I think I'd call. Given how reckless you seem to play, I don't think I'd fold a flopped straight to you. That's just one reason why reverse hand histories don't work. Your 'reads' on the opponent are how you think you may be perceived but in reality, your opponent may have no reads on you at all. Or may think you always bluff and plans to call you no matter what. You don't know his mindset.

He tank called. So it was an uncomfortable spot for him. But he called your bluff and took your stack.

If you posted this as a standard hand history, it would look something like this:
H has A4o in the sb with the A diamond. Completes.
H leads 2 on KdQdTc flop. V raises to 7. H calls.
Turn Q. H checks, V bets, H check raises.
River: 7d: H shoves.

Responses might be something like:
Fold pre.
Check fold flop.
Oh no, you bet flop and got raised. Insta muck now.
Turn: Check fold turn. Oh, you check raised the turn? With almost no equity? And against a guy who raised flop and bet turn? A player who clearly has a pretty solid hand? And is playing very low stakes, so he almost certainly can't fold a decent hand? What are you thinking?!
River: Flush gets there, H has nut flush blocker but no hand at all, and shoves? Do you hate money? Where you do you live? Do you want to come play in my home game? Whatever stakes you'd like, we'll make it work for you.
i lol'd
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