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02-18-2014 , 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Bremen
it's an easy shove, it's less than a PSB for him to call

river spade and you lost to the freeroll?
You sir are a genius.

River was Q

Hero flips.

V1 flips over 54 and yells "flush" in delight. Hero is ready to puke
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02-18-2014 , 04:51 PM
I think you played the hand fine. Your only decision that would have saved your stack is to fold pre. Besides that, the cards just play out with you getting stacked. No way around it.
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02-18-2014 , 04:52 PM
LOL.
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02-18-2014 , 05:05 PM
Look at it this way: by flatting flop you allowed villain to gain like a 20% extra equity edge when the rest of the money went in.

If you raised/gii on the flop he would've had only a 4% edge
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02-18-2014 , 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by JackInDaCrak
Look at it this way: by flatting flop you allowed villain to gain like a 20% extra equity edge when the rest of the money went in.

If you raised/gii on the flop he would've had only a 4% edge
Indeed that is true for those hands in his range that had 2 spades including this one of course. But for the set/2-pair hands in the range, wouldnt you say the equity was reduced, as the probability of upgrading to a boat reduced?
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02-18-2014 , 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by RiverboatRon
At this point, I felt he is definitely not bluffing with two high cards. That was just not his style as observed, so at the very least he has a small overpair like 88 or 99, or possibly 55 or 44 for a pair plus inside straight draw ( A little unlikely given I hold 2 of them).

I will move on with the action. I flatted his 90 as played. My reasons being:

1. I had position
2. I wanted him to lead out on the turn as the aggressor
3. I did not want to lose 77,88 or 99 to a reraise. Its possible he would check the turn with these hands if he doesnt improve, but I could get some value out of them.
4. I was more comfortable playing for stacks once he led out on the turn on a non pairing board. Maybe this is the conservative side of me speaking, and is something I will get used to with more experience playing deep stacked.

So on we go, with the pot at $204 and effective stacks at $570.

The turn brought the 8

V1 leads out for $175. Hero raises all in for $570.

Reasons for jamming:
1. I cant call or minraise this bet as I will be committed anyway.
2. There are now 2 spades on the board for a possible flush draw if he had reraised with A6 of spades. If a spade hits on the river and he ships it I may have to call as the pot will be ~950 with me having ~395 behind.
3. The 8 might have converted 88 to a set or he might have had a set OTF so he might be willing to play for stacks anyway.

V1 insta-calls. Results of hand with river card will follow

Thoughts?
Perfectly executed, as many recommended.
Well played, unfortunate the flush hit.
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02-18-2014 , 05:57 PM
You played the hand fine on all streets. Cooler gonna cooler.
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02-18-2014 , 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by RiverboatRon
Indeed that is true for those hands in his range that had 2 spades including this one of course. But for the set/2-pair hands in the range, wouldnt you say the equity was reduced, as the probability of upgrading to a boat reduced?
That's also true but by flatting flop you don't extract extra value from these types hands you are currently crushing.
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02-18-2014 , 06:05 PM
The first thing I thought was how in the world are so many 1/2 players this deep??
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02-18-2014 , 06:05 PM
I like a raise on the flop to 200 or so leaving you with a PSB on the turn if he checks to you. As played turn decision was easy all in.
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02-18-2014 , 06:16 PM
Is it just me or am I the only one who thinks villain only has sets and 54s here? Hard to imagine him calling pre with a hand like 63 or overplaying an overpair here. If we can in fact narrow his range to sets and 54, I think flatting flop and turn and shoving river is optimal. If board pairs, you can fold. If board pairs, and he shows weakness on river you can shove to get him off a chop
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02-18-2014 , 06:17 PM
There's only 6 cards that can kill your action, but they shouldn't really be that scary to villain anyways. If you had 54, he was behind anyways
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02-18-2014 , 06:23 PM
If he has overpairs in his range and won't fold unless reraise is big, I'd reraise small
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02-18-2014 , 10:16 PM
lol...I certainly didn't see that one coming.
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02-19-2014 , 07:42 AM
wow thats like the worst cooler ever. Shoulda went south a bit when you transferred tables. Whats the max buy in? $500? Cuz my casinos are $300 buy in haha.
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02-19-2014 , 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by kenshi3
wow thats like the worst cooler ever. Shoulda went south a bit when you transferred tables. Whats the max buy in? $500? Cuz my casinos are $300 buy in haha.
Max buy in at the Borgata is $300
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02-19-2014 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by JackInDaCrak
That's also true but by flatting flop you don't extract extra value from these types hands you are currently crushing.
Yes, indeed. Thanks for this, something to keep in mind for sure as I work on my game.
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02-19-2014 , 12:16 PM
I don't mean to be a bit off topic here but you said your leak was playing connectors when deep stacked. I always thought that when you're deep stacked the value of connectors go up and TPTK hands goes down?
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02-19-2014 , 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by russwongg
I don't mean to be a bit off topic here but you said your leak was playing connectors when deep stacked. I always thought that when you're deep stacked the value of connectors go up and TPTK hands goes down?
Yes, indeed but I would think playing them too often OOP is not ideal. My tendency is that I raise/limp from EP/MP too often with these when my stack is deep. In this particular case, it was reasonably ok as it was from the CO so only had the button to worry about, and he folded.

Had the button gotten involved and the flop was not so gin, then its not a great spot to be in. From the CO, I think the bottom starting hand should be 76 or 87 as it can hit a lot more flops hard.
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02-19-2014 , 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by slimshady1999
Is it just me or am I the only one who thinks villain only has sets and 54s here? Hard to imagine him calling pre with a hand like 63 or overplaying an overpair here. If we can in fact narrow his range to sets and 54, I think flatting flop and turn and shoving river is optimal. If board pairs, you can fold. If board pairs, and he shows weakness on river you can shove to get him off a chop
Flatting turn is also an interesting option especially given the hand he had, if I had somehow magically guessed he had that exact hand

I definitely thought about 54s/54o being in his range but in the heat of the moment at the table did not consider the 54 exactly. Given my own hand vs his overall range which was heavier in sets/2P than just 1 combo of 54s which was freerolling ahead, I think an AI on the turn was the best move.

Given that the river was a , its also possible flatting the turn may have caused him to check the river as he may put me on a higher spade draw (something like A6)

Maybe he could have folded on a river shove, maybe not. He would probably think his hand is too good to fold in that spot.

Overall, as many people remarked, there was no way around this cooler except folding PF.
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10-09-2022 , 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by RiverboatRon
Hello 2+2ers,

This is by far the biggest pot I have been involved in my poker playing experience so far ( about a year and half of playing live in casinos) . I wanted to check for opinions on this hand on how the play went: preflop, OTF and later streets.

Hero: Indian male in 30s. I play poker mostly as a hobby but have started taking it quite seriously by putting in work away from the tables. I am not a math guru but have a generally good understanding of odds as it relates to live play and decision making at the tables, and am currently working on improving my understanding of evaluating ranges when at the tables. Ed Miller's book is a current favourite.

I usually buy in short and play nitty early on in sessions with premium high cards (AQo+) and pocket pairs (88+) and then top up and expand my range after 45 mins to an hour at the table. Generally a TAG player, look to play LAG if the table is tight. I do have some occasional fishy calling station type tendencies, especially if I am down big in a session, which is when my play style switches to a conservative one.

Another major leak is I play too many connector and one gapper hands (suited and offsuit), especially after I build up my stack to > 300BB.

Setting: 1-2 NL Live at the Borgata, Sunday night of long weekend. Table is full and quite aggressive with not too many limped pots. Typical PFR is about $12-$17, standard for a 1-2 table.

Villain 1: Middle aged white guy with a stack of ~$900. TAG player, mostly ABC from what I observed. Moved to this table with Hero when previous table broke up. Hero and Villian did pretty well at previous table. Villain 1 is up about 400 from previous table, Hero is up ~500. Hero and villain were not involved directly against each other in many pots before this. Villian 1 won a small pot with Aces weak kicker against Hero's middle pair in the last hand at the previous table. Villain 1 stacked another player for $200 in the current round at new table with a set of 4s against pocket aces.

Villain 2: African American dude with a stack of ~$800. Unknown play style, has not been involved in too many hands since Hero sat down at new table. Hero has never played with him before.

Hero: Has a stack of ~$670. Moved to this table with ~$775, lost a couple of small pots in the last round. One was against fishy Hawaiian dude who chased his gutterball straight till river and got there against Hero's TPTK (AJs).

Preflop:

V2 raises UTG to $7. A little unusual given the action preflop in recent rounds. Maybe wants to see a cheap flop OOP but not get involved big.

V1 calls from MP, Hero calls from cutoff with 54

Button and blinds fold. 3 way to the flop with pot at $24

Flop:

632

V2 checks. V1 bets $10. Hero raises to $30.

My reasoning for the raise here was not to slowplay in a 3 way pot with a straight that has no further chance of improvement as there was no OTF, and also to build up the pot against a possible slowplayed overpair or set from V2, and a made hand or draw from V1. I felt V1's range at this point was: 22-99 (TT+ would have probably reraised PF), A3s-A6s, K6s, 76s/76o, 86s/86o,96s, 63s (somewhat unlikely but possible) and possibly even 54s/54o.

V2 folds. V1 reraises to $90.

Hero?
raise pot
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