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Flopped set on wet board with shorties AI in front and V IP is deep Flopped set on wet board with shorties AI in front and V IP is deep

08-09-2014 , 04:41 PM
This is my first post on this thread so I hope I do it right.
1/2 NLH game 430AM on a Friday night.

V1 OMC is in small blind ($50) has been limping and very nitty.

V2 is big blind($80) young Asian female buys in 50BB at a time has just sat down. Previously played with her. Standard aggressive short stack player.

V3 UTG ($130) young Asian male is a weak player who plays ABC. Boyfriend of V1.

Hero UTG+1 ($650) 38 year old heavily tattoed male has tight aggressive image, and has been at the table longer than any other player.

V4 UTG+2 ($340)mid 40's white male. Punted 100 when he sat down 1st hand. Claimed to be drunk bought in for 100 again and has ran it up, but never had a drink in the 3 hours he's been at the table. Range is any Ace suited ir not, loves suited cards and one gappers off suit. Has been on a roller coaster. His VPIP is high. Recreational player from upstate NY. We're at the Borgata.

Now the hand.
Hero looks down at 88 UTG+2 and limps in after UTG does the same. V4 limps in.

V1 in SB makes it $16 to go. BB and UTG call. Hero and V4 call as well.

Pot: $64
Flop comes Kd 10h 8d.
V1 jams his stack of $50
V2 jams her stack of $80
V3 calls the $80 and has $50 behind. Pot is now $300.

Hero knows he's ahead with a set of 8's.
Both V1 and V2 I've seen jam short stacks or call short stack jams with flush draws. V3 is tight but I still believe hes behind.

V4 is my concern. I've seen him play 36 suited before for a raise and chase it to the river. He's definitely a calling station which I normally like but I'm already involved in a multiway pot. I don't know if I want to call the $80 and let him, raise to $160 to have him come along or jam and either play for stacks or push him out. I really don't want to let him in on such a draw heavy board. Im sure these players all have blockers on one another.

I know V3 is going to put his $50 in no matter what either now or on the turn.

Hero: ??

Last edited by Garick; 08-09-2014 at 06:10 PM. Reason: removed results, formatting
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08-09-2014 , 04:54 PM
You want to bet an amount that will make him draw with improper odds so you get value from your hand. If he'll call all in on a draw, then that's the bet you should make. On my phone so can't really calculate pot size and stack sizes but you need to make V pay the wrong price to draw w 2 cards to come.
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08-09-2014 , 04:54 PM
Hand history is a bit tough to read as you switch back and forth from BB to $$. I prefer it just all be in $$.

Jamming is fine here. If you flat you give V4 too good of odds to chase any kind of draw he might have. Although I think the better move from a psychological standpoint is to raise to an amount the size of V4's stack, and leave him like $30 back to shove himself. He might level himself into a call/shove.
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08-09-2014 , 06:14 PM
Not bad for a first post, OP. I edited to (most importantly) remove results and secondarily for clarity (switched all amounts to dollars, put some blank lines in for readability).

You never want to post the results, as it biases people's advice.

Speaking of which, my advice:
No matter what you do, it will look super strong after all that action, so take flatting out. It won't be at all deceptive and may make V4 able to draw for a good price.

Pot is $380 with your call, and only V4 only has $244 more than a call himself, so any raise you make is max 2/3 pot effective. Just jam it in and be ambivalent about whether he calls. If he does, you've given him pretty bad odds to draw and have boat re-draw outs. If he doesn't, you have a nice big pot for 1/2 anyway.
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08-09-2014 , 06:19 PM
Fist pump shove. A minraise is going to commit V the same as a shove so just jam it in. Also raise pre instead of limping.
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08-09-2014 , 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by wj94
Fist pump shove. A minraise is going to commit V the same as a shove so just jam it in. Also raise pre instead of limping.
I was going to raise pre, but I knew that V1 was in that shove or fold mode. He had started with $150. 50 in whites and 100 in red. I didn't want to play pocket 8s for $50. Also V2 is a short stack ninja and her jamming range was 99+ A10 off plus. I had that range from pmaying multiple sessions with her.
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08-09-2014 , 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
Not bad for a first post, OP. I edited to (most importantly) remove results and secondarily for clarity (switched all amounts to dollars, put some blank lines in for readability).

You never want to post the results, as it biases people's advice.

Speaking of which, my advice:
No matter what you do, it will look super strong after all that action, so take flatting out. It won't be at all deceptive and may make V4 able to draw for a good price.

Pot is $380 with your call, and only V4 only has $244 more than a call himself, so any raise you make is max 2/3 pot effective. Just jam it in and be ambivalent about whether he calls. If he does, you've given him pretty bad odds to draw and have boat re-draw outs. If he doesn't, you have a nice big pot for 1/2 anyway.
Thank you. It does look better now, and gives me a blueprint to go forward with
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08-10-2014 , 01:50 AM
Shove and make him pay the max to draw.
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08-10-2014 , 07:38 PM
@OP: Don't give villian drawing odds at all. In fact the money you make is propotional to the mistake he makes in calling the flop off with a draw.

Make a speech like, wow there is so much money in the pot i guess I have to be in it and go all in. that gives v4 a good justification to show up with his draw as well!
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08-10-2014 , 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by zugzwangg
@OP: Don't give villian drawing odds at all. In fact the money you make is propotional to the mistake he makes in calling the flop off with a draw.

Make a speech like, wow there is so much money in the pot i guess I have to be in it and go all in. that gives v4 a good justification to show up with his draw as well!
No. Just shove.
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08-11-2014 , 12:11 AM
If you can shove and believably pretend you didn't realize V4 was in the hand (and thus effective stack size is $130), that's the nut best line If not, just calmly shove and print Sklansky $.
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