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02-24-2016 , 10:08 AM
.50/1 home game
Hero 450
V2 200 old guy snag hasn't been doing anything crazy or stupid. Not a great player but haven't seen him bluff or get out of hand. Straightforward player. Even for the night Utg + 4
V1 350 good player A little on the loose side capable of making moves utg +2

I am BB 77
4 limpers I raise to $7 which I never do (I usual set mine). I believe this is a mistake on my part.

Everyone calls
Pot 35

Flop Jd7h9d

I bet 15 v1 calls, v2 raises to 40 everyone folds and I call. I'm not feeling great here at all and didn't instant call
V1 calls

Pot 175
Turn Jd7h9d9h

I check as I want V2 to bet and honestly wonder if I'm behind. V1 checks
V2 bets 50 and has a little over 100 left

I just call because I don't want to lose v1 if I am actually ahead. V1 folds
I honestly think that v2 has a straight or bigger boat. He raised flop and leading comfortably on turn. There isn't much I can beat here IMO.

Pot 275
River Jd7h9d9hAd

Villan shoves and I just don't like it as I could be behind here. Villan bet it all the way and could have J9, 97, A9

I turn my cards over and tank. I do want to see his reaction to my cards. I ended up calling but didn't feel at ease by doing so.
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02-24-2016 , 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by battagd1
.50/1 home game
Hero 450
V2 200 old guy snag hasn't been doing anything crazy or stupid. Not a great player but haven't seen him bluff or get out of hand. Straightforward player. Even for the night Utg + 4
V1 350 good player A little on the loose side capable of making moves utg +2

I am BB 77
4 limpers I raise to $7 which I never do (I usual set mine). I believe this is a mistake on my part.

Everyone calls
Pot 35

Flop Jd7h9d

I bet 15 v1 calls, v2 raises to 40 everyone folds and I call. I'm not feeling great here at all and didn't instant call
V1 calls

Pot 175
Turn Jd7h9d9h

I check as I want V2 to bet and honestly wonder if I'm behind. V1 checks
V2 bets 50 and has a little over 100 left

I just call because I don't want to lose v1 if I am actually ahead. V1 folds
I honestly think that v2 has a straight or bigger boat. He raised flop and leading comfortably on turn. There isn't much I can beat here IMO.

Pot 275
River Jd7h9d9hAd

Villan shoves and I just don't like it as I could be behind here. Villan bet it all the way and could have J9, 97, A9

I turn my cards over and tank. I do want to see his reaction to my cards. I ended up calling but didn't feel at ease by doing so.
The turn is just about the best card in the deck for you (other than the case 7). Of course you "could" be behind but Im jumping up and down to get all in at any point in this hand. I wouldve led out on the turn to make sure they dont both check behind.

Turning your cards over like that is going to get you bluffed out of hand after hand.
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02-24-2016 , 10:43 AM
I hate the $7 pre, but you flopped well. I would have raised flop or turn. As played (passively), you have to call river. I do understand your feeling of being behind, though.

I don't like it that you showed your hand, either.
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02-24-2016 , 11:32 AM
Old guy snag?
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02-24-2016 , 11:38 AM
Either limp or raise bigger pre, Bet more on flop. Rereaise flop raise.
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02-24-2016 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by DrDanimal
Old guy snag?
Very - to me he flopped a straight or two pair which is why I'm not confident on turn
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02-24-2016 , 12:31 PM
I'm saying what is snag? Do you mean snug?
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02-24-2016 , 12:46 PM
Some combo analysis - Let's assume Vs flopped two pair, as set of 9s or a straight. I'm removing JJ from his range since he open-limped. I'm also not counting A9 as in his range, because why would he raise with second pair on the flop? If he could raise A9 on the flop there are tons of other hands we're ahead of that he could also have, like AJ or T9, so let's ignore it. Let's also ignore J7, which flopped two pair but we're ahead of, on the assumption that he'd slow down once he was counterfeited.

On the river, there are 16 combos of T8 he could have. There are 6 combos of J9, 2 combos of 97 and 1 combo of 99, so nine combos that beat us. So, if he could only have a straight or a flopped two pair or set of 9s that improved to a boat, we're ahead of his range and should call any sized bet.

Worse case scenario - What if he only plays T8s? There are 4 combos of that as opposed to 9 combos that beat us, so we're good about 30% of the time. However, we're getting 100:275, so only need to be good 26.7% of the time, so still getting the right odds to call. Moreover, if he's not playing T8o, why would he play J9o or 97o? To compare apples to apples, we have to only include J9s (2 combos) and 97s (don't know which 7s you had, but say that's 1 combo), so that's 4 combos of T8s v 4 combos total of J9s, 97s and 99, so an easy call.

What I think this demonstrates is that even with a very tight range for V2 (flopped straight, two pair or set of 999), we need to call river. The sheer number of T8 combos overwhelms all his other combos because none of the T8 combos are blocked by the cards on the board or in your hand.
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02-24-2016 , 12:51 PM
Call pre, bet flop, bet turn, call river.

As played, you said villain shoves for around 100 into a 275 pot. You may be beat here, but do you find yourself up against sets, straights, and two pair 25% of the time? If so this is a profitable call.
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02-24-2016 , 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by DrDanimal
I'm saying what is snag? Do you mean snug?
Snug sorry lol
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02-24-2016 , 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by battagd1
....., I turn my cards over and tank. I do want to see his reaction to my cards. I ended up calling but didn't feel at ease by doing so.
When you turned your cards over, (open your hand before it was over), a knowledgeable player could pull a play that you lose all your money. You had FH, what's so hard to bet? No matter how hard you try to think tank you'll never figure out his cards. I don't understand your play.
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02-24-2016 , 02:36 PM
Check preflop. You're rarely folding 4 limpers and you just build a bigger pot oop.

Bet more or check-raise the flop. A small bet lets all draws call to beat you. I would check-raise because the flop hits a limp-calling range. One of the four players will likely bet. You should make a PSB at against more passive villains.

As played, reraise the flop. I'm never folding after the turn card pairs. Insta-call the river.
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02-24-2016 , 04:30 PM
SPOIL
I call and V2 shows 108, flopped the straight.

I think that if V2 had 10 8, he could have just as easily played J9 and played it this way.
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02-24-2016 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by battagd1
SPOIL
I call and V2 shows 108, flopped the straight.

I think that if V2 had 10 8, he could have just as easily played J9 and played it this way.
This is undeniably true, but there are 16 combos of T8 available and only 6 of J9.
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02-24-2016 , 04:52 PM
Preflop: Check.

Flop: As played, bet more. There are a lot of hands that particular board hits that are slightly worse than yours (top pair, combo draws) so you might as well bet $30ish and get max. value from them.

As played, after the raise, reraise. You are in good shape here. V2 can call a reraise with a number of hands that are dogs to you, and even if he has a straight you still have a decent number of outs to catch a boat.

There are three big problems with just calling the raise. 1) There are a lot of turn cards that can come that will completely put the brakes on the action. 2) If v1 has a any type of draw, calling and giving him over 5:1 allows him to profitably come along and see the turn. 3) V2's small raise could very well be a draw that he wants to take a free card with if he misses on the turn.

Turn: Either checking or putting out a very small bet that flush or straight draws will call are both viable options. After the check, call in hopes of having v1 tag along with a draw. Then lead out on the river as long as a J or 9 doesn't show up.

River: As played, call the shove. There's no guarantee you have the best hand, but you're still very strong and the pot is laying you a big price.

Also, don't turn your cards over like that. If people see you tanking with a boat, they will be more likely to take shots at you later. Having players who very rarely bluff specifically targeting you for bluffs is something you absolutely do not want to have happen.

Just my opinion...
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