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Flopped set vs a nightmare river card. Passive player donks out. 4-1 enough to call? <img / Flopped set vs a nightmare river card. Passive player donks out. 4-1 enough to call? <img /

08-03-2019 , 12:09 PM
Hey guys, playing $1/$2 on a Friday night. Hero ($310) is a male in his early 30s. Playing TAG but not getting great cards. Lost some showdowns, bet/folded at times, possible I have an aggro image.

Villain is a quiet middle aged woman. Seems to be playing loose, passive but multiple times she donked the river in big pots for $100. I folded once against this line but anytime she's been called, she's shown big hands: 2 pair or better. Seems to be on fire with luck tonight and has a huge stack, has me well covered.

OTTH

UTG limps. V1 in MP1 raises to $7. CO calls.

Hero in button has 6c 6h. Calls. Often I'll 3-bet but since I was running a little bad, felt like playing tighter. BB and limper call. 5-handed pot.

Flop Ks Qc 6s ($30). BB bets $13, UTG calls. V1 raises to $26. Hero raises to $50. BB and V1 fold. V1 calls.

I raised because I wanted to fold out draws. Was suspicious that V1 only made a minimum raise, but I put her on a big K, KQ, Kx with a flush draw. Maybe QQ or KK because of the min raise, but would she not 4-bet?

Turn 4h ($150) V1 checks, hero bets $75. V1 calls.

River Ts ($300) V1 bets $100. Hero?

Terrible river. Flush got there, AJ and J9 got there though unlikely she raised these on the flop. Also still behind KK and QQ.

Possible though she's leading with KT, KQ, AK though less likely with the obvious river flush. With 4-1 odds, do you call this donk river bet?
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08-03-2019 , 12:21 PM
I wouldn't really ever be 3 betting here pre, but regardless the way you are running shouldn't affect your pre flop play.


As far as the flop goes, you're not folding any draws by min 3 betting...I would 3 bet to $100 and shove the turn. As played, we're in a **** position with SPR, but I still shove the turn.

River is a pretty bad card, but I don't think you can do anything but call.
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08-03-2019 , 12:55 PM
all the money should be in by the turn
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08-03-2019 , 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ionutd
all the money should be in by the turn
^This.

If it's set over set, you're always getting felted. If you're running bad and lacking some of your usual confidence, rack up and get some fresh summer air.
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08-03-2019 , 02:15 PM
You should be making a PSR on the flop so instead of $50 you need to make it like $120 and then you're jamming all non Spade turns. Your mentality on that flop with two people showing interest and another also showing interest plus aggression should be to play for stacks. Get that money in. If they all end up folding then just scoop your 80 bucks and keep it moving.
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08-03-2019 , 02:21 PM
Just from reading the title alone i am guessing this is a fold. When a passive player donks out on the river in a big pot that usually means he hit his draw he was chasing, and is donking out to prevent it getting checked back from the aggressor on earlier streets. When facing faceup narrow ranges like this, just trust your instinct and make the discipline fold.
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08-04-2019 , 10:30 AM
You really butchered this hand. Raise the flop bigger and shove the turn, as everyone has stated.

Also, why would you normally 3bet pre?
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08-04-2019 , 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff
I wouldn't really ever be 3 betting here pre, but regardless the way you are running shouldn't affect your pre flop play.


As far as the flop goes, you're not folding any draws by min 3 betting...I would 3 bet to $100 and shove the turn. As played, we're in a **** position with SPR, but I still shove the turn.

River is a pretty bad card, but I don't think you can do anything but call.
/thread on post 2
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08-04-2019 , 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Homey D. Clown
Also, why would you normally 3bet pre?
1/2 button clicking i'd assume. the whole "if it's good enough to be calling, it's good enough to be raising" mentality... thanks Rounders, he literally gives that exact advice to his teacher.
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08-04-2019 , 09:57 PM
Thanks everyone. And good feedback on the preflop play. Yes that's exactly right about the raising vs calling pf. In the book "beat the donks," he covered that a lot and also recommend doing more squeezes from late position.

Guess that's too fancy for $1/$2? Maybe I should simplify my approach.
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08-05-2019 , 06:01 AM
Gotta work in that 3rd flop minraise to GTO that bluff 3rd bet minraise range. This is the worst hand Ive seen posted here in a while. Make it 130-150 on the flop and jam the turn, 100 is too small imo.
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