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06-28-2014 , 03:49 PM
1-2 game at MGM Grand last night.

Villain: Mid 40's Asian male, no accent. Been at the table since I got there about 2 hours ago. He seems pretty loose pre-flop, and is willing to chase. Haven't seen much notable aggression.

Hero has been playing tight preflop. Usually firing c-bets, rarely going to show down. A couple of loose-aggressive players were joking that I was bullying the table.

Effective stack sizes are about 500

Hero raises to 10 in ep with 77
Villain calls
Three more call, five handed to the flop

Flop: K 7 5 two hearts

Checks to hero
Hero bets 25
Villain min-raises
Folds to hero

What is your line?
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06-28-2014 , 04:05 PM
Min raise smells like a draw and you could dump quite a few chips if V makes an off suited str8.

150 (if you flat) in the pot with 350 behind and you're out of position.....

I'm raising big here, 200 or so. I can't fade the implied odds.

Also, I lead for at least 40 OTF.
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06-28-2014 , 04:13 PM
Min raises on wet boards from weak players are almost always TPTK in my experience. And I'd hate to 3 bet here and give this guy a reason to fold TP. I flat and fire all turns for 75% of the pot. Also, your half pot Cbet is ridiculous here. Bet $45 in $50 here all day every day.
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06-28-2014 , 04:15 PM
You might not have enough info on V to really know why he min-raised here, but in my experience the loose-passive players will play a lot of their strong Ks this way. Is the K the Kh? That would take away any TP+FD combinations. I'm torn between clicking it back to $75 and making it $100- we definitely want to raise here to handcuff V into playing for stacks. The problem, though, is that he might fold his KQ or KJ to a larger flop 3bet, and you likely won't get paid as often if an A comes on the turn.

Make it $85 OTF (setting up a ~$200 pot), $145 OTT, empty the clip OTR.
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06-28-2014 , 07:53 PM
just flat.
I would like to add some misleading to it by checking my cards so it looks like im drawing.
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06-28-2014 , 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Rise4ndFire
You might not have enough info on V to really know why he min-raised here, but in my experience the loose-passive players will play a lot of their strong Ks this way. Is the K the Kh? That would take away any TP+FD combinations. I'm torn between clicking it back to $75 and making it $100- we definitely want to raise here to handcuff V into playing for stacks. The problem, though, is that he might fold his KQ or KJ to a larger flop 3bet, and you likely won't get paid as often if an A comes on the turn.

Make it $85 OTF (setting up a ~$200 pot), $145 OTT, empty the clip OTR.
This. $85 to $100 is good. This is almost always Kx and rarely a draw. We don't want him to hero fold KQ, KJ type hands either but we have to build a pot
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06-28-2014 , 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by sheled007
just flat.
I would like to add some misleading to it by checking my cards so it looks like im drawing.
If you just flat are you checking turn? I feel like v checks back most turns with tp and we lose value.
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06-28-2014 , 11:48 PM
i think Kx, pair+FD, naked FD and some combo draws are all in his range here.

OOP against a range like that, i think you need to 3b. and as others have pointed out, you have to balance 1) keeping in 1p hands that you are crushing, and 2) not giving too good a price to his draws, which we think he is willing to chase.

i would lean towards a larger 3b, like 115ish. i say this because

1) most live villains in this type of game have a hard time raise/folding top pair here. even when they "raise to find out where they're at," they often play on when they shouldn't. if he folds, he probably did not have a hand that could call large bets on future streets anyway, and the options for getting value OOP are all tricky. plus, lots of cards can kill your action.

2) our read says this villain is likely to call too much and too often with his draws.

3) from a meta-game perspective, i like that the 3b gives him pause in the future before he clicks it back in position hoping to get a free card or "find out where he's at".

4) we have an aggro image, making him more likely to call wide with both his weak made hands and his draws.

5) we should be playing for stacks. if we flat, we have 440 behind and only 150 in the pot, meaning we either need to get a raise in on a future street, or get him to call two relatively large bets on the turn and river.

115 would leave a pot of 280 with 375 behind on the turn, making it easier to get stacks in by the river and still leaving us with a lot of sizing options depending on what comes on the turn. hell, i wouldn't even mind 125 against some villains.
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06-28-2014 , 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ham on rye
i think Kx, pair+FD, naked FD and some combo draws are all in his range here.

OOP against a range like that, i think you need to 3b. and as others have pointed out, you have to balance 1) keeping in 1p hands that you are crushing, and 2) not giving too good a price to his draws, which we think he is willing to chase.

i would lean towards a larger 3b, like 115ish. i say this because

1) most live villains in this type of game have a hard time raise/folding top pair here. even when they "raise to find out where they're at," they often play on when they shouldn't. if he folds, he probably did not have a hand that could call large bets on future streets anyway, and the options for getting value OOP are all tricky. plus, lots of cards can kill your action.

2) our read says this villain is likely to call too much and too often with his draws.

3) from a meta-game perspective, i like that the 3b gives him pause in the future before he clicks it back in position hoping to get a free card or "find out where he's at".

4) we have an aggro image, making him more likely to call wide with both his weak made hands and his draws.

5) we should be playing for stacks. if we flat, we have 440 behind and only 150 in the pot, meaning we either need to get a raise in on a future street, or get him to call two relatively large bets on the turn and river.

115 would leave a pot of 280 with 375 behind on the turn, making it easier to get stacks in by the river and still leaving us with a lot of sizing options depending on what comes on the turn. hell, i wouldn't even mind 125 against some villains.
I'd be interested to know what your plan is for turns? I like the 3b sizing but it makes the turn awkward. He's passive so we cant consider crai. If we 3b to 135 we can jam turns a bit more naturally, although I'm pretty sure we lose value by doing that.
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06-29-2014 , 06:07 AM
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If you just flat are you checking turn? I feel like v checks back most turns with tp and we lose value.
if a heart shows im checking, any other card that shows im betting
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06-29-2014 , 07:00 AM
If there is a chance that V thinks we might be drawing then raising flop is better... Plus any hearts on turn/ rvr will also kill our action against tp hands another reason to raise flop.
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06-29-2014 , 12:31 PM
In my experience this is almost always Kx. We want to get it all in by the river so we have to raise. We do not want him to fold so I like making it $95 here, betting turn and shoving river.
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