Hero is early 20's and has an obviously tilted image as I had just lost a large pot to a huge atm OTR. Although tilted hero has only shown down winners and has not gotten out of line. Grinded a SS up to just under max BI. Stack ~$275.

Villain is OMC, and hasnt gotten out of line once and has shown down strong, but has also shown the willingness to gamble (EX: K8s in 3bet pot IP ) and has hero covered.

THE HAND:

Hero is in MP and finds KK and opens to 20. Villain calls and irrelevant fishy BB calls.

Flop: 3 3 3

Hero cbets $45, Villain effectively shoves and BB folds.

Obv I'm not putting him on a 3 here. Pot is now ~$330 ish and this is a huge overbet..

My question is how often would we see OMC shove QQ- here?

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if this guy is truly an OMC, never. If you're saying he's had the goods every time then I'm guessing he has A3s here (sounds like he'd play this hand to a pf raise based on his description).

not even an OMC is dumb enough to shove quads, is he?

Thats what I'm thinking, he was competent enough IMO not to do that. Obv could be 22+ protecting against AK cbet but more than likely TT+ doing the same.

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someone may hit runner runner to hit higher quads, got to play it safe and gii now.

or OMC thinks OP has a hand he won't fold.

If you think OMC is capable of viewing you as being tilted, his range can be heavily weighted to QQ and smaller pairs. If you have a read on his open sizing, that could narrow his range a little bit more.

A3x is rarely in his range especially with the overbet from an OMC. OMCs betting line with quads is typically, call, call, jam on the river.

I opened the action to 20 in MP and he flatted. I'd seen him do the same/limp with a variety of big hands including AKs multiple times but most of his "made hands" he would be raising pre. His call range is vastly wider than his raising range but IMO not wide enough to include a 3, even A3s or any 3x combos don't make too much sense considering how the hand played out.

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This is exactly what's going on 95%+ of the time. Snap call and feel good about it. If AA or 3x, it's a cooler.

Snap call. Cooler if he had AA

Why did we grind a shortstack with at ATM at the table? Keep your stack topped off to the ~maximum BI after every hand if we're one of the better players at the table.

If we have a really tilty image and table is loose/raisey, I think this might be an ok spot for a limp/reraise (maybe even a lol limp/shove). But otherwise, I like the big open. If not too out-of-line, I might even attempt to open a bit more (say to $25+) since it'll enable us to brain dead stack off postflop on non A boards HU.

With these stacks and this board, we're committed on the flop, imo. Board shouldn't really run out that scary, so I'd simply plan my bets so that I can easily shove the river. $45 is fine on flop although nothing wrong with smaller either.

A 3 is probably never shoving for fear of scaring off opponent. AA is definitely possible. But with smallish SPR and the 3rd nuts on the flop, we can't ever fold. Plus we perhaps have a bit of a tilty image. I snap call and expect to be good far more often than I'm not.

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It's not a mtt, don't work at building a short stack when you can put cash on the table.

I'm never folding this.

This Atm got to the table right as I was around max BI so didnt leave too much out there. Before hand although I do agree with reloading as I usually do but was in for all I came with after 4bet jamming pre for 300+ after ATM in earlier session overcalled a 100 limp raise ( in which I thought the guy was all in ) to iso and then realized guy had plenty of chips I couldn't see... he ends up tanking for 2 minutes and finally calls with KK...



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