1-3 live
300 effective stacks
Hero utg+2
Villain UTG (just saw her raise large and shove on flop with K10o. She ended up with a K on the river to win the hand), raises to $8.
utg+1 calls, hero calls with 45 , as do 3 others
Flop ($48) 3 6 8
Villain bets out $65, ug+1 folds, hero?

fold preflop

on flop raise big. make it 200 or something along those lines. all in is fine unless you think that will induce a call. never fold unless you somehow get to river with chips and miss (live poker, anything's possible i suppose)

btw, what would you (personally) do with a set here?

duplicate thread here already :

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...-outs-1577149/

I'm not even sure I call 54s on the Button after a string of callers to the raise due to it's poor RIO (it makes a crapload of good second best hands); the callers would probably have to be droolers for me to do so. But in EP, super easy fold preflop, imo.

This is one of the problems of calling preflop where we are going to be OOP to a large part of the field. If we were in LP after a cbet and callers, this would probably be a simple shove with huge dead money and our equity. But here, I don't think the choice is as simple. Sounds like we have no FE against cbetter (where they recently shoved a flop with K high?) so I'd probably just flat and hope weaker hands behind me pad the pot for my draw.

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