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08-28-2018 , 10:16 AM
I am on button with Ks8s, couple limps in front of me, just sat down but seems like passive table. (pretty std for these stakes)
I open to 15 and get 2 callers. V1 is in SB and V2 is UTG.
V1 has roughly 120, V2 has roughly 300, Hero: 220
Flop comes A Xs Xs; I don't remember what the other 2 cards were but I know that they were spades and the A was not a spade,
It is checked to me, I can c-bet here with my 2nd nut FD; or I can check back

So as pfr this flop does tend to hit my range more so than my opponents but the reality is that I don't block any Ax combos and these Ax combos could easily be in my opponents limp calling range PF; I ended up c-betting this flop (35) but I am curious as to what other people think about this. Even tho this connects with my range should I mix in some checks here? I don't want to get x/r'd here and maybe there is some reasoning behind taking a free card

thanks in advance
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08-28-2018 , 10:55 AM
Pre is dubious. If the flop is disjointed like A92ss then I like a small cbet of 1/3 or so. It doesn't have to work all that often and you do represent the A well. I think the $35 cbet is far too large.

I don't mind cbetting this with a lot of the range. I'm more inclined to check back a weaker Ax, middle pair, etc with showdown value.
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08-28-2018 , 11:01 AM
I would raise more pre with two limps to 21/25

It's easier to remember what the other cards were on the flop if you document the hand as soon as it's over, but since we have a FD I'm cbetting, and since there's an ace and if we get callers we can always check back the turn to get a free card if we don't hit a flush yet. (If they have an ace they're prob not folding to a turn bet). It's hard to get people off of aces in low limit games.
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08-28-2018 , 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by mdelore
Pre is dubious. If the flop is disjointed like A92ss then I like a small cbet of 1/3 or so. It doesn't have to work all that often and you do represent the A well. I think the $35 cbet is far too large.

I don't mind cbetting this with a lot of the range. I'm more inclined to check back a weaker Ax, middle pair, etc with showdown value.
You like a flat pre flop here? I was curious about my open , I feel like it is a little loose on my part but I want to mix in some hands like this into by button opening range
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08-28-2018 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Playbig2000
I would raise more pre with two limps to 21/25

It's easier to remember what the other cards were on the flop if you document the hand as soon as it's over, but since we have a FD I'm cbetting, and since there's an ace and if we get callers we can always check back the turn to get a free card if we don't hit a flush yet. (If they have an ace they're prob not folding to a turn bet). It's hard to get people off of aces in low limit games.
Yea 5x is pretty small and doesn't generate too many folds, what about if you get x/r'd on this flop? I know its hard to answer when I can't remember the other two cards lol that's my b
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08-28-2018 , 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by tmo1120
Yea 5x is pretty small and doesn't generate too many folds, what about if you get x/r'd on this flop? I know its hard to answer when I can't remember the other two cards lol that's my b
Raise pre was fine. If my cbet gets c/r'd it really depends on who raised it, how much more it is, what his stack is and what I think his range is, and most importantly do I have any fold equity if I jam. Probably folding mostly.
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08-28-2018 , 11:40 AM
Ok well both players moved in on the flop and I was getting around 3 to 1 on a call. So assuming my spades are live this should be a call I think I just have to stick in my remaining 150 to win 425. these are rough estimates but is this just a trivial call here in this spot? or should I factor in reverse implied odds, the A high flush draw could be out there as well
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08-28-2018 , 12:17 PM
I actually fold Kxs now due to RIO issues, but I don't hate seeing a flop with it for cheap on the Button if we don't completely suck postflop. Readless and non-deep and first hand at the table I think we're putting ourselves into too much of a guessing game by raising it.

I would cbet here. We have decent amount of equity even if behind, plus we have decent FE against a large range of hands that are doing ok against us, plus we'll often setup a free card play on the turn if called (often getting to the river to realize our equity). The only problem I have is with our bet size; there is simply no reason to bet so much as players continuing ranges are fairly inelastic to any reasonable bet size here. I would have gone no more than $20. If we had reads that some of these opponents were aggro I might lean towards a check back.

ETA: Unfortunate flop results, but I think we have to call it off here getting about 3:1. If they both showed hands like TP then it's a trivially easy call as we're going to hit about 2:1. Having them both move in is a bit more concerning since someone might be sucking up a couple of our flush outs (and sometimes have us drawing ~dead) plus there is also the possibility of someone having a set (redraw outs), and in this almost worst non-drawing dead case we're about 4:1 (not an overly horrendous "almost" worse case scenario given our pot odds).

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Last edited by gobbledygeek; 08-28-2018 at 12:24 PM.
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08-28-2018 , 12:26 PM
When facing a preflop limp, I tend to play my range one spot away from were we are sitting.
For example, IŽd open the same range against one limp otb than I would in an unopened pot in the cutoff, and so on. Against two limps K8s is probably too loose. Would just overlimp.
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08-28-2018 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by sauhund
When facing a preflop limp, I tend to play my range one spot away from were we are sitting.
For example, IŽd open the same range against one limp otb than I would in an unopened pot in the cutoff, and so on. Against two limps K8s is probably too loose. Would just overlimp.
Agree with this also top up pre and the fact you are sitting under 100 bbs makes me more likely to tighten up and limp here. I would be more ok with a raise if we were deeper with more room to double barrel and play more postflop
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08-28-2018 , 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
I actually fold Kxs now due to RIO issues, but I don't hate seeing a flop with it for cheap on the Button if we don't completely suck postflop. Readless and non-deep and first hand at the table I think we're putting ourselves into too much of a guessing game by raising it.

I would cbet here. We have decent amount of equity even if behind, plus we have decent FE against a large range of hands that are doing ok against us, plus we'll often setup a free card play on the turn if called (often getting to the river to realize our equity). The only problem I have is with our bet size; there is simply no reason to bet so much as players continuing ranges are fairly inelastic to any reasonable bet size here. I would have gone no more than $20. If we had reads that some of these opponents were aggro I might lean towards a check back.

ETA: Unfortunate flop results, but I think we have to call it off here getting about 3:1. If they both showed hands like TP then it's a trivially easy call as we're going to hit about 2:1. Having them both move in is a bit more concerning since someone might be sucking up a couple of our flush outs (and sometimes have us drawing ~dead) plus there is also the possibility of someone having a set (redraw outs), and in this almost worst non-drawing dead case we're about 4:1 (not an overly horrendous "almost" worse case scenario given our pot odds).

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ETA? I like your point about not being that deep and being readless, I should be in for the max and It was early in session so perhaps a flat is in order, RIO can hurt a lot sometimes but idk if I can just open fold a hand like this on the button but certainly something to consider
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08-28-2018 , 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by tmo1120
ETA?
ETA = Edited To Add. All my posts are grunches (I respond without looking at other posts so as not to be biased) and then add comments afterwards after looking at responses.

Preflop is likely pretty dependent on limpers. If they're the biggest droolers in the world, I'm pretty happy seeing a flop with them. If they kinda look like they half way know what they're doing, I'm not as excited about it.

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