1/2 NLHE Seneca Niagara - Takes H awhile to get here from Tdot so he plays at least 12 hour sessions.

Hand: A2

Position: SB

Stack: 300$ (won a few pots up from 200$, at the table 2 hours)

Image: tightest at the table save for one NIT, aggressive, showed 47o on a board that came 56Q43 hhscd 3 ways with V and beat V's AhAx and another guy's QhQx. Hand was played super passive, V limp raised AA and other V (with QQ) flatted and slowplayed flop shortstacked. H got in the hand on the BB with stupid preflop sweeteners (but should've folded pre possibly). V with AA tried to GII OTF and H shoved (with odds I'm pretty sure) QQ called it off (both covered H). Nutted both of them while QQ picked up a dry side pot made OTT. Both rebought immediately.

Table: 10 handed, loose passive pre, somewhat sticky post, tickets to valuetown are on sale for 2pair+ as any TPTK is called to the river.

V: Weird player. Guy with AA from above. Obviously plays live A LOT as he smells like garbage. Fat. Super Reg. American so obviously. Sitting in seat 10 next to the dealer because that's his favourite. Stack = 400$. Plays around 30/10 and always chats up players while in a hand. H has a live tell that V stops talking when he has monsters. Seems semi-aware (position, bet sizing, aggression, etc.). Covers H's 300$

OTTH:

Couple limps including V in MP, H completes, BB checks, 4 players.

Flop (8): A 3 5

H bets 5$? V raises to 55$ and says 'lets get it going'. H calls ranging mostly AX no diamond here.

Turn (118): 7

H checks? V checks behind.

River (118): 2

Hero? V is chatting about how the wheel just 'got there'.

Fold at every chance

Pre is pretty meh. I guess not terrible to peel getting 7:1.

Don't lead the flop. What are you accomplishing there? I mean, you might get value from a naked diamond. But given that we're 4-way oop with the worst possible top pair hand, the worst possible flush draw, and the worst possible straight draw, the flop is a check-and-see-what-develops with an eye to keeping the pot as small as possible.

Fold to the flop raise. You bet 5, he raises 55... top pair no kicker is a fold. Yes, the Ax2d looks pretty here because it's a straight flush wheel draw... and I like straight flush wheel draws more than anybody... but it's actually a pretty weak hand here. And why do you range him on Ax no diamond? Even if he does have a lot of Ax, certainly he can have weak diamonds better than your diamond.... a hand like Ax8d, etc.

River is a value bet, make it $60.

I'm fine with completing pre. I don't like leading the flop or calling the massive raise. Even if you do put him on just Ax, you're still behind. Were you just floating? Or were you really just trying to spike a 1 outter?

As played, I think the river is an obvious value bet that Ax can call... 1/2 pot maybe.

Fold pre, worst position with the worst ace takes more than a few limps in a raked game to get good enough odds to call.

OTF I like a check more than I like a bet since all Ax Hands are beating you, and all other hands giving you action likely have significant equity, since something like 77 no diamond may find a fold when you lead out.

However, once you get raised to 55, I'm snap folding. You call because you range V on mostly Ax no diamond? What makes you think V doesn't have a diamond? You're likely saying this to justify a very loose call against a range that is a coin flip best case scenario, but more likely has you drawing very slim. Besides, if you put V on Ax no diamond, you're OOP and behind with a draw that has no implied odds.

When V checks behind the turn, I'm inclined to think his range is capped at small flushes, but maybe also a hand like KdJc, figuring you won't fold the turn. I certainly think nut hands are out of his range given the flop raise sizing.

OTR, i like a c/f. I think checKing is considerably better than betting, again bc of the flop raise size. I think you'll win when he checks back but lose when he bets almost always. At llsnl it's rare to find someone putting absurd amounts of money relative to the pot without a very strong hand and occasionally a very good draw.

Pretty hypocritical play coming from you.
Play the way you recommend everyone else to play in this forum:
Fold Fold Fold x/f river

And lol, what's with your dig at americans

Sorry I should elaborate on the live tell. The guy always talked with middling hands he liked to 'gamble' with. On this flop Im 99% sure he doesnt have a diamond given my read. His range is capped at AX no diamond and is mostly PPs TT-. He would def. shut his mouth if he had a flush or a straight or a set.

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Pre is meh, flop lead is meh, calling flop raise is spew, river is a c/f.

I think it's unrealistic that you think you can read a player down to his exact suits based on a live tell that you've picked up over 1 session. Your not going to beat LLSNL by trying to soul read everyone. Just play solid ranges, value bet people to death and occasionally make moves in position.

Your trying to tell me that a fat chatty American has never made a speech with the nuts...

I'm usually not the advocate for "fold pre" that many others seem to be here

but

this is a fold pre, A2o is absolute garbage

OTF
check, and fold to any bet. Calling 55 there is awful

c/f river

Ok I guess no one believes my read and lol at folding pre getting 7:1. Hero bets 60$ V calls with 99s, MHIG.

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You may have been right in this instance, and you could very well be right that when he talks, he's weak, but the fact is you should not jump to conclusions when your sample size is very small and generally unreliable. When an opponent raises 50 in an $18 pot, your read needs to be based on more reliable and consistent evidence than one session. Besides, just because you "know" he doesn't have a flush, he could very well have a bigger ace and a bigger diamond and have you in awful shape.

Glad you found yourself a whale but the entire hand is awful IMO

X-call flop to a reasonable bet, x-fold turn to aggression and x-call river if turn was checked wtf are you doing leading into 4 players when your hand can't even stand a raise here.

Betting the flop is a blunder and is why it puts you in a tough spot when you just get raised to any amount esp 10x the pot size. And whats your plan on turn and river if you get called...

You can complete here from the SB that is not a spew but you have absolutely no idea how to play this hand from the SB multiway so i would say just play a tighter range from the SB.

Are you actually serious m7. Have you actually read your own posts.

are you guys really folding pre? serious question, bc I would always complete in game, and I believe most would do in a soft live environment? how can you not put a dollar in the machine and be that ubernit of the table...
anyways, I think pre is certainly not that bad as many are saying, but agree with consensus postflop is very bad

did it have spinners

Pre is debatable at best. But if I'm playing this hand like OP did post-flop, I'm definitely folding pre; it's no longer even debatable then.

I don't mind completing pre but I generally don't call flop raises on Axx boards since that's how you get yourself owned with Ace-rag.

Fold pre, AINEC. Worst position postflop, multiway, massive RIO, without the initiative. An extra dollar per orbit over 12 hours adds up to $50+. You'll lose a lot more money calling Axx flops and non-nut straight draw boards with A2o. Good luck getting paid with a nut flush on a 4-suit board. Do the miracle flops when you hit trips and stack an overpair offset the loses? Not a chance.

Snap fold flop. Turn is good. I do think the live tell is relevant. B/f river.