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06-17-2014 , 08:42 AM
1/3 crown melbourne.

tuesday afternoon usually full of regs but this table is weak tight and there are two whales. borderline ******s. theres this one early 20s guy that raised to 125 pre with $7 in pot (1 limper and blinds) everyone folds and he tables 108o.

V is mid 20s with strong italian accent. has 3b pre with 56o against 1010.
flop 10 8 4 r. pot (100) v leads for 50 with a ****ing gutshot. top set slow plays and flats. turn 7 and he makes his straight and ends up stacking the other dude. this guy plays soooo out of line its not funny. he raising with a very wide range pre to 20 (q10o, 98o, k8s) etc etc. has also tabled a number of bluffs and ive lost count of how many times he's sucked out. oh yeah, another hands of his. this is a raised 4-way pot with about 100 in the middle.
EP shoves 120 on a flop of j97r, folds around to V who tanks for like 5 seconds and calls with ****ing KQo getting less than 2-1. i mean, at the time the dude that shoved was playing pretty tight but he ended up having 88 for a bluff (or was it a bluff?) everyone at the tables believed it was a set, he even got AJ to fold. then KQ goes on to lose and the italian fish goes on to say how he had two overcards and a straight draw. it's like dude its likely you're overcards arent even ****ing live.

hero has been playing 2-3 hands per hour and only showing down the goods. have been card dead so have been forced to raise 97s in LP to balance out my range. stacked off a couple of fish with QQ and 88

effective stacks are $300

i limp in MP with 78dd folds around to v who raises to 20, folds back to me and i know my implied odds are through the roof because this guy will stack off with second pair.

flop (50) j109

v leads for 25, i raise to 85, v calls.

turn (220)A

v shoves for like 200ish, hero?
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06-17-2014 , 09:35 AM
You made your preflopdecision to call 20 based on this guys image. You hit your hand, so call and get paid.

Maybe he has the flush, maybe he has A9, or maybe he has 2 coupons for kitty litter, but with this guys image and likely range, I'm never folding here. Riding the variance train. If he has the flush, I'm rebuying and going after him again.
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06-17-2014 , 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by ryno19
You made your preflopdecision to call 20 based on this guys image. You hit your hand, so call and get paid.

Maybe he has the flush, maybe he has A9, or maybe he has 2 coupons for kitty litter, but with this guys image and likely range, I'm never folding here. Riding the variance train. If he has the flush, I'm rebuying and going after him again.
Sounds about right to me.. love when my two coupons look like AA...
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06-17-2014 , 10:17 AM
You seem pretty mad at him for playing badly for some reason. This is a leak in your mental game.

Based on you description of him, it seems like a fairly easy get it in on the turn.
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06-17-2014 , 11:38 AM
There is no need to balance preflop raising ranges at this level (i.e. I'm cool with the raise with 97s *if* we ended up isolating in position, but otherwise, very blech, imo).

I would have folded preflop. There is no way we are going to see a cheap flop at this table plus we'll most likely be OOP. (although it looks like we ended up being in position, is Villain in the blinds?)

SPR ~6 vs this guy on a drawy board, I think we should be committing on this flop even though we "only" have the 3rd nuts. Board is super drawy and there are a zillion scare cards that could come on the turn. So I raise a lot more so I can shove the turn. My default is to offer poor 2:1 odds, so that would be a raise to $125, which would create a $300 pot with $155 left to shove the turn; I wouldn't hate a smaller raise than that, but on this board we really want big money put in the pot ASAP.

Against a maniac that could be getting it in with anything (including lots of good hands that he thinks are best but aren't) I think we have to snap call the turn shove even though one of the draws got there.

I also sense of hint of resentment towards this player in the write-op, or am I wrong? We do realize that this guy is awesome and we should be going out of our way to make him feel welcome / comfortable at the table, right?

GcluelessNLnoobG
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06-17-2014 , 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by coreyd
V is mid 20s with strong italian accent. has 3b pre with 56o against 1010.
flop 10 8 4 r. pot (100) v leads for 50 with a ****ing gutshot. top set
I like the semi-bluff bet of half-pot with a gutshot, though I usually only do it in position when I can expect to get a free turn to hit my draw. Even if you don't get paid at all if you hit, you only need to get a fold one out of seven times for it to be profitable.

At lots of tables people are folding way more than one out of seven times, and they are paying off shoves when you hit.

But I agree that if you know someone has top set that it's best to fold.
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06-17-2014 , 01:17 PM
With his line he is going to show up with a flush some % of the time (given the small lead otf). That being said, most often he's going to have a lot of pair+FD/SD/2p hands in this spot.

And if you don't want to play with him, I'm sure a lot of other people will take your seat lol.
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06-17-2014 , 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
There is no need to balance preflop raising ranges at this level (i.e. I'm cool with the raise with 97s *if* we ended up isolating in position, but otherwise, very blech, imo).

I would have folded preflop. There is no way we are going to see a cheap flop at this table plus we'll most likely be OOP. (although it looks like we ended up being in position, is Villain in the blinds?)

SPR ~6 vs this guy on a drawy board, I think we should be committing on this flop even though we "only" have the 3rd nuts. Board is super drawy and there are a zillion scare cards that could come on the turn. So I raise a lot more so I can shove the turn. My default is to offer poor 2:1 odds, so that would be a raise to $125, which would create a $300 pot with $155 left to shove the turn; I wouldn't hate a smaller raise than that, but on this board we really want big money put in the pot ASAP.

Against a maniac that could be getting it in with anything (including lots of good hands that he thinks are best but aren't) I think we have to snap call the turn shove even though one of the draws got there.

I also sense of hint of resentment towards this player in the write-op, or am I wrong? We do realize that this guy is awesome and we should be going out of our way to make him feel welcome / comfortable at the table, right?

GcluelessNLnoobG
I have a bit under a pot size shove on the turn, and this guy doesnt consider pot odds so i think he'll stack of regardless with 2p

You're wrong, i love people like this at my table. I was talking to him and telling him i love his style of play.

Spoiler:
I tank for 5 seconds and call his shove and he tables AQ with the Q of hearts and the river is a heart and he scoops.
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