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02-22-2016 , 06:08 PM
New table barely one orbit in. Villain is an older asian man, no previous history. Hero starts with $320 ($100-$300 buyin) and villain has around $240.

7 limpers including villain from UTG+2, SB calls, Hero checks 22 in BB.

Flop: AA2r ($24)

SB checks, Hero bets $20, folds to Villain who calls, rest fold and it's heads up.

Turn: 7s ($64)

Hero bets $50. Villain calls quickly.

River: Qd ($164)

Unsure of this river. B/f seems a little awkward given there's no reasonable amount he can raise that will make me fold after betting though I believe I am beat often if he does raise. C/c is a disaster if he checks behind trips or something.

I end up b/c'ing $100 and he had AQo but Im just wondering if this hand is lolstandard or the river bet is thin and most players would c/c at a new table vs unknown.
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02-22-2016 , 06:13 PM
It's lolstandard. He had to hit 3 outs to beat you. Most other Aces pay you off. Very nice flop and turn bet and sizing btw. You didn't slowplay and you built the pot. Well done.
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02-22-2016 , 06:26 PM
With an SPR of ~13 on the flop, we need PSBs to play for stacks by the river. So I'd just PSB/PSB/PSB for stacks and hope someone has an Ace to payoff (and doesn't hit their kicker).

I think we bet *slightly* too little on each street (especially if we ended up going against a stack more similar to ours, noting that it is highly unlikely anyone is going to fold an Ace hence why we should PSB each street), but against the smaller stack Villain we've left ourselves a PSB to shove on the river (coulda done better, but it's not horrible). So I shove the river.

ETA: If we hadda PSB each street, that would have left us with just $141 left in a $216 pot (a much easier 2/3 PSB shove for the river plus gets more value on first 2 streets against Ax who manage to hero fold river which they will now have a harder time doing).

GcluelessNLnoobG
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02-22-2016 , 07:19 PM
You played it fine. He got lucky. He is never folding trip As on the river, and you can't fold to a raise.
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02-22-2016 , 08:37 PM
Cooler. Move on. Never folding for 80 BB effective stacks. Be glad you weren't deeper.

Also make a note that he limped AQo from UTG+2. When he raises pre, give it much respect. When he raises on the river, give it much respect.
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02-22-2016 , 08:47 PM
Yeah just a cooler. Checking this river is a crime here. Every other ace pays you off like he did on flop and turn. Wp imo
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02-23-2016 , 01:49 PM
So everyone thinks this hand was played fine?

It wasn't, imo.

We left too big a bet left for the river when we coulda left a smaller more easy-to-call shove (which also prevents Ax from hero folding thanks to the river pot odds).

And we miss *huge* value on the river when he only calls with Ax (which most regs will do figuring only better hands will call a raise and they are basically bluffcatching).

GimoG
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02-23-2016 , 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
So everyone thinks this hand was played fine?

It wasn't, imo.

We left too big a bet left for the river when we coulda left a smaller more easy-to-call shove (which also prevents Ax from hero folding thanks to the river pot odds).

And we miss *huge* value on the river when he only calls with Ax (which most regs will do figuring only better hands will call a raise and they are basically bluffcatching).

GimoG
I'm confused here.

Hero bet-called. Are you saying he should have bet more so he could call a shove?
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02-23-2016 , 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Hardball47
I'm confused here.

Hero bet-called. Are you saying he should have bet more so could call a shove?
No, I'm saying (a) he should have bet more on earlier streets to make a river shove that much easier and (b) even as played he should have shoved the ~PSB on the river.

Most Villains with Ax will only call the river bet (but they are highly unlikely to fold to any ~PSB shove), which leaves about 4 hours of work on the table in $$$ when we have a ~nuttish hand, which is really bad.

Ghandwasplayedpoorly,imoG
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02-23-2016 , 04:11 PM
Lol I think poorly is an overstatement. Was it played optimally, maybe not. But poorly would be betting 15/35/50 or something stupid. Heros line really wasn't that bad at all.
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02-23-2016 , 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
So everyone thinks this hand was played fine?

It wasn't, imo.

We left too big a bet left for the river when we coulda left a smaller more easy-to-call shove (which also prevents Ax from hero folding thanks to the river pot odds).

And we miss *huge* value on the river when he only calls with Ax (which most regs will do figuring only better hands will call a raise and they are basically bluffcatching).

GimoG

Hero bet almost full pot on the flop. You want him to overbet the flop? He bet almost 80% of the pot on the turn. You want him to overbet the turn? Thats easy to tell someone to do after you know villain had AQ.

Its pretty tough to get all in here in a limped pot. Check raising somewhere wouldve made it happen but thats also easy to say knowing what villain had.
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02-24-2016 , 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
Hero bet almost full pot on the flop. You want him to overbet the flop? He bet almost 80% of the pot on the turn. You want him to overbet the turn? Thats easy to tell someone to do after you know villain had AQ.

Its pretty tough to get all in here in a limped pot. Check raising somewhere wouldve made it happen but thats also easy to say knowing what villain had.
Hero could have bet $50 (a 2xPSB) on the flop and no Ax would have folded (basically the only hand we're going to get stacks from, and this is obviously what he had by the river). Heck, even a 88 might make a why-so-much flop call. A PSB/PSB is very reasonable.

The first two streets aren't a complete disaster, as they do still leave us with a PSB shove for river (which is reasonable).

But not shoving the river is flat out HORRIBLE. There are very few spots where we have a nuttish hand against another nuttish hand where we are in the lead the vast majority of the time (i.e. the best side of a cooler). Not getting stacks in while we are best (and yet always having to stack off while we are worse) is horrible.

GimoG
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02-24-2016 , 01:56 PM
You should have shoved the river. In a limped pot, typical low stakes villains play almost all Axs and A7o+ hands, sometimes all Axo. The vast majority of his range is trip aces and very few boats. More often than not you leave about $70 on the table when villain calls with trip aces. Played fine other than that.
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